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Tupac image performs at Coachella [video]
- zalew 14y agothe [video]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULrFtjaixbY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULrFtjaixbY
- jonursenbach 14y agoAnyone know what kind of technology they used to do this? I haven't been able to track information about it down.
- ryandmonk 14y agoMusion Eyeliner (http://www.eyeliner3d.com/ http://www.eyeliner3d.com/)
- yosh 14y agoProbably Musion Eyeliner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musion_Eyeliner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musion_Eyeliner
- bazzargh 14y agoDefinitely. Musion were tweeting about it earlier.
- rollypolly 14y agoVery impressive technology! I just wish there was a better name for it. Any suggestions?
- alexlitov 14y agoTupac not Tupcac!
- bazzargh 14y agoA bit more info - the tech behind this is a 2d variation on the Pepper's Ghost illusion ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper%27s_ghost http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper%27s_ghost ), apparently licensed from Musion (http://www.musion.co.uk/ http://www.musion.co.uk/). It's had previous outings - animators at Square Zero have used it several times, including to recreate Frank Sinatra. http://www.squarezero.co.uk/what-we-do/holograms http://www.squarezero.co.uk/what-we-do/holograms It's interesting to see their videos from 2010, which are still quite realistic but look stilted compared to the Tupac projection. And obviously these aren't really holograms. I'm not connected to this in any way, just looked it up earlier since none of the articles mentioned what was driving this.
- nothis 14y agoYea, the media always tries to headline this as a "hologram", when in fact it's just a 2D projection. Actually, just a glass with enough darkness behind it act as a mirror. I'm sure there is a lot of know-how in what screen to use, to make the projection bright enough, etc, etc. But that's more fiddling around than revolutionary technology.
- jgrahamc 14y agoThe technology behind this is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musion_Eyeliner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musion_Eyeliner which uses the old Pepper's Ghost trick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppers_ghost http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppers_ghost
- ahelwer 14y agoThis led me on a one-hour Wikipedia detour and I now possess detailed development knowledge of Disney's Haunted Mansion theme park ride. Seriously cool stuff.
- jgrahamc 14y agoThere's only 37 minutes between my post and your reply :-)
- bira 14y ago"I now possess detailed development knowledge of Disney's Haunted Mansion theme park ride" Bending time included.
- its_so_on 14y agoHe meant Wikipedia time. I've spent three hours reading Byzantine history and related articles in about an hour. Check for yourself with a timer: 1) http://www.online-stopwatch.com/ http://www.online-stopwatch.com/ 2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire go.
- manveru 14y agoHave you read http://craphound.com/down/ http://craphound.com/down/ (Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom) yet?
- MengYuanLong 14y agoDoctorow's novel is amazing. It really inspired me to change the way I approach life and appreciate value. Plus, it is relatively short! Basically, that book is to blame for me converting from a slacker to a hacker.
- joejohnson 14y agoCoachella has done a lot of innovative tricks this year. I was impressed that anyone in US could watch three of the stages live on YouTube. Live concert footage and other live videos on the web are going to quickly make TV feel overpriced.
- sneakyness 14y agoThey did this last year too and it's awesome. If you didn't notice it's also in 5.1
- pinaceae 14y agoeven more impressive that I could watch it from Austria - by now so much content is region-restricted that this was a pleasant surprise.
- te_chris 14y agoAgree so much from New Zealand, me and heaps of my friends were all massive fans of At the Drive In when they were around, being able to see them live on the other side of the world felt pretty cool.
- kittxkat 14y agoI was so pleasantly surprised I could watch with no problems from Switzerland.
- minikomi 14y agoI watched (the rapture) from a train in Japan on my iPhone while heading to a hot spring!
- libraryatnight 14y agoHaving been to a few festivals over the years, I had a good time watching via the YouTube stream. No sweaty people crowding me, up-close views, fantastic sound quality, and all the beverages etc I wanted readily available with no lines ;) Obviously nothing replaces the experience of being present, but if you can't go, or are just getting to a point in life where festivals seem like more exhaustion than they're worth, these live streams are amazing.
- rglover 14y agoLove the technology, but is anybody else just a little bit creeped out by this?
- loverobots 14y agoI was. I wonder if they need permission from his mom (estate) for this.
- jgrahamc 14y agoI'm less creeped out by the technology than by the implications in terms of copyright. What this may mean is that a copyright holder on the image of a person (such as Tupac) will be able to milk that image long after they are dead and potentially without having to pay anyone. When you see Snoop Dogg 'performing' with Tupac you have to wonder where the money is flowing. Tupac's gone, perhaps his family is getting some pay back from the fact that an old recording of a song is played publicly. But what happens when Tupac suddenly records a new song? Would not surprise me to discover that the record companies are able to claim that they deserve all the money associated with that.
- endtime 14y agoSounds like you're creeped out by copyright in general, not by anything to do with this article.
- jgrahamc 14y agoThat's not true. I rely on copyright as the foundation for lots of things (the code I write in my job and it underlies the OSS licenses that I use for code that I release freely). Copyright itself does not worry me. But there are concerning moves to make copyright last essentially indefinitely and in the UK we've recently seen the Olympics be backed up by criminal rather than civil penalties for copyright-related offenses. Those things are worrying. It is true that there's nothing in the original article about copyright or finance, but it is worth considering in the light of the fact that it's unlikely that the event or the other performers did this out of the goodness of their hearts. Follow the money.
- zdgman 14y agoGreat question that was asked today was, "would you pay to see a dead artist perform in holographic form"? Think about all the artists you could bring back and have perform for people when using this technology.
- lo_fye 14y agoWith the exception of Gorillaz, I probably wouldn't pay to see A holographic artist perform, but I would pay to see a bunch of them perform together. Elvis, Buddy Holly, Tupac, Ricky Valenz, Kurt Cobain, etc. Get DJ BC to create the mashup, and away we go.
- jQueryIsAwesome 14y agoI think a Sci-Fi "theater" would be nice too, just imagine all the things from The Matrix happening in real time in front of you (that is, just a believable 3D without glasses).
- blhack 14y agoYes. Honestly, I'm not at a show to watch somebody perform their music, I'm there to enjoy that music with a few hundred/thousand other people, and listen to it on a big stereo. It's a socializing thing, not a consumption thing.
- zdgman 14y agoI think most people are in the same boat with you. When you are young you tend to push close up to the stage or jump into the thick of things, maybe because you like mosh pits. When you get older it's all about going to hear how well the band performs live and enjoy a tasty adult beverage. Most entertainment venues I visit now I end up standing toward the back.
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- matt312 14y agoI wonder if Jobs will introduce a new Apple product in 20 years.
- glen 14y agoWilliam Gibson - Idoru http://www.amazon.com/Idoru-William-Gibson/dp/0425190455 http://www.amazon.com/Idoru-William-Gibson/dp/0425190455
- iamgopal 14y agosomebody should get linus to perform live. I will buy the tickets.
- zavulon 14y agoNext step: use it on someone good, like John Lennon or Jimi Hendrix
- phwd 14y agoJust because you don't like rap doesn't mean your snark is wanted.
- jfoldi 14y agoB.I.G. would have been a better choice.
- tkoh 14y agoI disagree. Musical preferences aside, this took place during a performance by Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre and given their history and the Southern California location of Coachella, Tupac was the right choice. Not sure that either Snoop or Dre ever collaborated with B.I.G.
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- liftup 14y agounreal. Not everyone might like Pac but amazing how real it looks.
- tynan 14y agoHere are details on how they reproduced Sinatra, which is probably similar to how they reproduced Tupac: http://www.damonchernavsky.com/News_Archive/October_2009/Hologram_of_Frank_Sinatra/hologram_of_frank_sinatra.html http://www.damonchernavsky.com/News_Archive/October_2009/Hol...
- cheebla 14y agoI'm confused as to how they got him to say "Coachella". Had he performed there in his lifetime or did they have to create that word from old voice recordings?
- ryangilbert 14y agoHe died three years before the first Coachella. So no, he had never performed there.
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- shinratdr 14y agoI'm pretty sure with enough voice data you can make people say just about anything, and Tupac left behind a ton of voice data.
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- JonnieCache 14y agoYep. See the work of cassetteboy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m2pFYYEiko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m2pFYYEiko (NSFW language) All they use is soundforge, and it's trivial. You can achieve perfect results with modern software and algorithmic assistance.
- gpmcadam 14y agoWouldn't it be easier to just hire a voice actor or impersonator?
- ux_designer 14y agoThey did use a voice impersonator.
- renegadedev 14y agoThis should be titled "The Rapping Dead"
- treme 14y agoso what's the law on profitting off someone's avatar like this?
- rooshdi 14y agoWas wondering that too; only thing I found was this: http://www.vh1.com/music/tuner/2012-04-17/whos-getting-paid-from-tupacs-hologram-resurrection/ http://www.vh1.com/music/tuner/2012-04-17/whos-getting-paid-... It says Dre got Afeni's blessing and made a contribution to Tupac's foundation for his image rights, but I now wonder if this gives him and Aftermath Entertainment unrestricted rights to capitalize off Tupac's hologram in all future concerts.
- weslly 14y agoNow we just wait for someone announcing his own version of Tupac made with HTML5 & WebGL.
- vizzah 14y agoWas that video image mixed&cut from the videos of his previous performances? Or was it computer generated?
- zennit 14y agoGreat effect but how did they get the footage of pac so clean? is it a 3d model?
- philmcc 14y agoMy understanding is that the team at Digital Domain (pirates of the caribbean, Jeff Bridges in Tron) modeled the body, and then used mo-cap on an actor who did the "performance".
- jmboling 14y agohttp://cl.ly/3P3M3p3l1w002n220o1i http://cl.ly/3P3M3p3l1w002n220o1i
- cjpartridge 14y agohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ5hK-D8kRQ&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ5hK-D8kRQ&feature=relat...
- patrickgzill 14y agoSo after this is perfected, you could grab my image, make it look like I was the person who held up a bank and shot a hostage, and all the eyewitnesses would say it was me, and could give a positive ID? What would hidden security cameras show?
- StavrosK 14y agoThey would probably show a crew of tens of people installing a mirror system, cameras, sound, etc etc in the bank, and then a half-translucent image of you (maybe) coming in and awkwardly robbing it, if the tellers were in on it and had rehearsed beforehand so the recording of you could look in sync with their actions. Also, they couldn't hand you any objects. It'd be easier for someone with a balaclava to rob the bank and plant the money in your house before an "anonymous tip", really.
- patrickgzill 14y agoThat is today's version. 20 years ago the equivalent of an iPad 3 was $400,000 dollars and consumed 3 kilowatts continuously.