5 ms·

Apple's smart ring technology may not be limited to fingers

11 points by CharlesW 3y ago

bonyt 3y ago
Is anyone going to say it? No?
- callalex 3y ago
  Time to check your rings! You are behind by 300 thrusts for this time of day compared to your average this week.
- synicalx 3y ago
  In the interest of appearing professional, I'm trying very hard not to but damn it's a real struggle.
- dakial1 3y ago
  On reddit for sure, check it there
- vsskanth 3y ago
  I did think about it but didn't say out of respect for HN
- gumby 3y ago
  I'll say it: I think any ring with adequate electronics will be too bulky and uncomfortable to wear on a toe, especially if you put it into a shoe. Also, how much more info could you get from the foot's motion than from something on the wrist? Finally it's not clear what sensors could be useful beyond the IMU anyway. I don't know why people are being squeamish about this.
tired-turtle 3y ago
I understand the article is clickbaiting about male genitalia, but does Apple submit vague patent applications because the legal SOP is to cover as many usecases as possible? If so, is it primarily to preclude competition or is it to keep the roadmap open?
- inkyoto 3y ago
  > […] the article is clickbaiting about male genitalia […] Are you implying that Apple is trying to patent smart cock rings as well? That does not seem likely as most users want their cock rings to be dumb rather than smart. Then, again, there is a remote attack + ransom demand threat vector which will likely scare most potential users away…
mschuster91 3y ago
> Like any firm, Apple writes its patents in such a way as to be as broad and even vague as the US Patent Office allows. But rather than just being a way that Apple could later sue anyone for making any ring-shaped smart device, this one goes into detail about use cases. This is the thing that irks me. Why are people allowed to gatekeep an idea, even if they do not have any plans to actually release a product? In the worst case, a generic/vague patent can block entire classes of devices from appearing for 20 years. IMHO, if a patent application is submitted, it should be required that the patent holder or a licensee releases a matching product to the market in at least five years, in a way that is accessible to the general public (so no trickery by selling for tens of millions of dollars apiece), or the patent is forfeited.
- addaon 3y ago
  > IMHO, if a patent application is submitted, it should be required that the patent holder or a licensee releases a matching product to the market in at least five years This would complete the transition from having patents as a tool available to independent inventors, to being purely for protection of established players. Even today, it's at least theoretically possible for someone to come up with, say, an idea for a new practical high-intensity EUV source, and to get reasonable compensation for developing that idea by licensing it to established industry players. With your proposal, if it would take a non-player more than five years to commercialize an idea (which is true of the vast majority of non-trivial inventions), all the establishment has to do is wait them out and then use the idea license-free in 5 years, instead of 21. It's perfectly reasonable to disagree with many aspects of the patent system, and I certainly personally believe that eliminating it entirely might be beneficial, but I suspect your proposal would act contrary to your goals.
- deelowe 3y ago
  Wouldn't this just incentivize ODMs to intentionally stonewall development so that they can then steal the patent?
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    The original patent holder, say Apple, is free to develop a product for their patent on their own.
jqpabc123 3y ago
Lots of ring shaped NFC devices have been on the market for years.
- CharlesW 3y ago
  Apple has many, many patents related to devices with ring-like form factors, but I'm not aware of any attempts to patent specific tori shapes.
eerietheery 3y ago
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
gumballindie 3y ago
Ah yes another way to track people and intrude on their lives, and unsurprisingly many will think it’s cool.
prepend 3y ago
I can’t wait to see what the buttplug.io does with this. Apple is going to catapult teledildonics so much closer to the singularity.
deleted 3y ago
[deleted]

11 points by CharlesW 3y ago

bonyt 3y ago

Is anyone going to say it? No?

callalex 3y ago
Time to check your rings! You are behind by 300 thrusts for this time of day compared to your average this week.
synicalx 3y ago
In the interest of appearing professional, I'm trying very hard not to but damn it's a real struggle.
dakial1 3y ago
On reddit for sure, check it there
vsskanth 3y ago
I did think about it but didn't say out of respect for HN
gumby 3y ago
I'll say it: I think any ring with adequate electronics will be too bulky and uncomfortable to wear on a toe, especially if you put it into a shoe. Also, how much more info could you get from the foot's motion than from something on the wrist? Finally it's not clear what sensors could be useful beyond the IMU anyway. I don't know why people are being squeamish about this.

tired-turtle 3y ago

I understand the article is clickbaiting about male genitalia, but does Apple submit vague patent applications because the legal SOP is to cover as many usecases as possible? If so, is it primarily to preclude competition or is it to keep the roadmap open?

inkyoto 3y ago
> […] the article is clickbaiting about male genitalia […] Are you implying that Apple is trying to patent smart cock rings as well? That does not seem likely as most users want their cock rings to be dumb rather than smart. Then, again, there is a remote attack + ransom demand threat vector which will likely scare most potential users away…

mschuster91 3y ago

> Like any firm, Apple writes its patents in such a way as to be as broad and even vague as the US Patent Office allows. But rather than just being a way that Apple could later sue anyone for making any ring-shaped smart device, this one goes into detail about use cases. This is the thing that irks me. Why are people allowed to gatekeep an idea, even if they do not have any plans to actually release a product? In the worst case, a generic/vague patent can block entire classes of devices from appearing for 20 years. IMHO, if a patent application is submitted, it should be required that the patent holder or a licensee releases a matching product to the market in at least five years, in a way that is accessible to the general public (so no trickery by selling for tens of millions of dollars apiece), or the patent is forfeited.

addaon 3y ago
> IMHO, if a patent application is submitted, it should be required that the patent holder or a licensee releases a matching product to the market in at least five years This would complete the transition from having patents as a tool available to independent inventors, to being purely for protection of established players. Even today, it's at least theoretically possible for someone to come up with, say, an idea for a new practical high-intensity EUV source, and to get reasonable compensation for developing that idea by licensing it to established industry players. With your proposal, if it would take a non-player more than five years to commercialize an idea (which is true of the vast majority of non-trivial inventions), all the establishment has to do is wait them out and then use the idea license-free in 5 years, instead of 21. It's perfectly reasonable to disagree with many aspects of the patent system, and I certainly personally believe that eliminating it entirely might be beneficial, but I suspect your proposal would act contrary to your goals.
deelowe 3y ago
Wouldn't this just incentivize ODMs to intentionally stonewall development so that they can then steal the patent?
- mschuster91 3y ago
  The original patent holder, say Apple, is free to develop a product for their patent on their own.

jqpabc123 3y ago

Lots of ring shaped NFC devices have been on the market for years.

CharlesW 3y ago
Apple has many, many patents related to devices with ring-like form factors, but I'm not aware of any attempts to patent specific tori shapes.

eerietheery 3y ago

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

gumballindie 3y ago

Ah yes another way to track people and intrude on their lives, and unsurprisingly many will think it’s cool.

prepend 3y ago

I can’t wait to see what the buttplug.io does with this. Apple is going to catapult teledildonics so much closer to the singularity.

deleted 3y ago

[deleted]