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Even if that's the case, it's still better to get the people who want to get off the street into housing. Then you can move onto specific solutions for other pe

Even if that's the case, it's still better to get the people who want to get off the street into housing. Then you can move onto specific solutions for other people.

Workaccount2 3y ago
Every single one of them wants to get off the street. Doing drugs in a house is way better than on the street. That's the rub - society doesn't want the homeless dragging their vices into these homes. So the homeless just stay on the street where they can do whatever they want.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  Which do you prefer: Living clean on the street where you get to experience the complete dehumanization afforded to you by millions of wealthy people blaming you for things completely out of control, harassed daily by cops, looked down upon by the majority of people, and generally treated worse than a wild dog, where any time you try to find a place out of anyone's hair enough to get a little privacy or silence or safety, cops come and steal your shit and tell you to get lost, and MAYBE have a SMALL chance of being helped by barebones social programs that are underfunded, under-cared for, and often straight up attacked for dumb political reasons, and take literally all day every day worth of effort to keep up with, and anytime you suffer a sweep you probably get set back in whatever process hell you were in the middle of, all so you can get a few sympathy bucks to not literally starve to death, or a cot in a big room full of much scarier people (I know formerly homeless people, american shelters are hell and can be just as dangerous as staying on the street) Or Scrounging for a couple bucks today so you can get a fix and spend the day mostly zonked out of your mind, and not enduring literal psychological torture. I have empathy for those who supposedly "don't want" to go clean. Maybe, we could give them some absolute minimum humanity and decency before asking them to give up the one thing that allows them to escape literal torture of a process and state that exists the way it does entirely to scare poor people into working themselves to death to at least have a legal residence and not be on the street.
  - Workaccount2 3y ago
    I would suggest you actually watch the interviews with these people and the interviews with Mark (who makes the videos). I will re-emphasize "You can bring a horse water, you cannot make it drink". To us it's unfathomable, drinking water is so good and important, so the problem seems simple. Just give them water. But it seems that there is some contingent of society who just does not like to drink water. Even if you give them pristine water and a safe place to drink it (as mark regularly does). If you needed to fix homelessness, the way to do it would be to round everyone up and force them into a program. Like a nice camp with food, housing, recreation, counseling, and no drugs. No drugs. The key word here is force. But you cannot do that. They are adults and ultimately they control what they do. So you give them the option, and inevitably they just chose to stay on the street. Mark has lamented endlessly about this.

Even if that's the case, it's still better to get the people who want to get off the street into housing. Then you can move onto specific solutions for other people.

Workaccount2 3y ago

Every single one of them wants to get off the street. Doing drugs in a house is way better than on the street. That's the rub - society doesn't want the homeless dragging their vices into these homes. So the homeless just stay on the street where they can do whatever they want.

mrguyorama 3y ago
Which do you prefer: Living clean on the street where you get to experience the complete dehumanization afforded to you by millions of wealthy people blaming you for things completely out of control, harassed daily by cops, looked down upon by the majority of people, and generally treated worse than a wild dog, where any time you try to find a place out of anyone's hair enough to get a little privacy or silence or safety, cops come and steal your shit and tell you to get lost, and MAYBE have a SMALL chance of being helped by barebones social programs that are underfunded, under-cared for, and often straight up attacked for dumb political reasons, and take literally all day every day worth of effort to keep up with, and anytime you suffer a sweep you probably get set back in whatever process hell you were in the middle of, all so you can get a few sympathy bucks to not literally starve to death, or a cot in a big room full of much scarier people (I know formerly homeless people, american shelters are hell and can be just as dangerous as staying on the street) Or Scrounging for a couple bucks today so you can get a fix and spend the day mostly zonked out of your mind, and not enduring literal psychological torture. I have empathy for those who supposedly "don't want" to go clean. Maybe, we could give them some absolute minimum humanity and decency before asking them to give up the one thing that allows them to escape literal torture of a process and state that exists the way it does entirely to scare poor people into working themselves to death to at least have a legal residence and not be on the street.
- Workaccount2 3y ago
  I would suggest you actually watch the interviews with these people and the interviews with Mark (who makes the videos). I will re-emphasize "You can bring a horse water, you cannot make it drink". To us it's unfathomable, drinking water is so good and important, so the problem seems simple. Just give them water. But it seems that there is some contingent of society who just does not like to drink water. Even if you give them pristine water and a safe place to drink it (as mark regularly does). If you needed to fix homelessness, the way to do it would be to round everyone up and force them into a program. Like a nice camp with food, housing, recreation, counseling, and no drugs. No drugs. The key word here is force. But you cannot do that. They are adults and ultimately they control what they do. So you give them the option, and inevitably they just chose to stay on the street. Mark has lamented endlessly about this.