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The notion that an accessibility feature means it is automatically accessible for 100% of people is asinine. In any case the buttons often vibrate specifically

The notion that an accessibility feature means it is automatically accessible for 100% of people is asinine. In any case the buttons often vibrate specifically so that deaf people can feel it.

bluGill 3y ago
But accessibility features need to cover all disabilities which often means you have to have more than one.
- Clamchop 3y ago
  They don't need to cover all disabilities, that's ridiculous. Kinds, severities, and combinations of disabilities are endless. We make a reasonable effort that importantly must make sense for the application. The person you've constructed in this scenario is both blind and deaf. Such an unattended person is in extreme danger on streets with automobile traffic no matter what the crosswalk button does.
  - bluGill 3y ago
    No, the person I constructed is only deaf. They attempt to touch a button and do not realize that button did not register their attempt. I agree that not all disabilities can be accounted for. However the more we account for the better - where accounting is all aspects of getting around. I don't know how to make it safe for a blind and deaf person to navigate streets safely - but I wish it was possible and as soon as I learn of something that works I'll support it.
    - bobthepanda 3y ago
      A guide dog is literally trained for this. At some point, a disability requires assistance. That is less true these days than in the past but still a last option.
    - Clamchop 3y ago
      If they're only deaf, then it's asked and answered because these new buttons have LED indicators and the sound they make can be felt through the housing. The ones near me might as well be knocking.
    - avianlyric 3y ago
      There is a simple solution for making these buttons accessible for all, and we have them in the UK. It’s a simple button that clicks, and under the panel there’s a small knob that rotates. Click the button, then place your fingers on the knob and wait for it to start spinning. I can’t tell you if the crossing call button is completely broken (although you’ll figure that out if wait long enough), but broken call buttons in the UK are pretty rare, I’ve only encountered a small handful of broken buttons over 20 years.
extraduder_ire 3y ago
I love the synced vibration/beep feature on crossing buttons, as I made a habit of laying my hand on top of the thing while waiting for the light to change. It gets my attention much faster than hearing/seeing the signals change, since I'm usually looking around during the time I'm waiting. Mostly at the lights for cars, since that hints at when it's my turn to go. (I can see and hear just fine, accessibility features like this are just bonus for me.) I am most used to these ones specifically: https://c8.alamy.com/comp/ECW0FA/pedestrian-crossing-traffic-light-control-button-western-road-cork-ECW0FA.jpg https://c8.alamy.com/comp/ECW0FA/pedestrian-crossing-traffic... Can be activated with your elbow, the thing beeps and the bottom lights up when you activate it.

The notion that an accessibility feature means it is automatically accessible for 100% of people is asinine. In any case the buttons often vibrate specifically so that deaf people can feel it.

bluGill 3y ago

But accessibility features need to cover all disabilities which often means you have to have more than one.

Clamchop 3y ago
They don't need to cover all disabilities, that's ridiculous. Kinds, severities, and combinations of disabilities are endless. We make a reasonable effort that importantly must make sense for the application. The person you've constructed in this scenario is both blind and deaf. Such an unattended person is in extreme danger on streets with automobile traffic no matter what the crosswalk button does.
- bluGill 3y ago
  No, the person I constructed is only deaf. They attempt to touch a button and do not realize that button did not register their attempt. I agree that not all disabilities can be accounted for. However the more we account for the better - where accounting is all aspects of getting around. I don't know how to make it safe for a blind and deaf person to navigate streets safely - but I wish it was possible and as soon as I learn of something that works I'll support it.
  - bobthepanda 3y ago
    A guide dog is literally trained for this. At some point, a disability requires assistance. That is less true these days than in the past but still a last option.
  - Clamchop 3y ago
    If they're only deaf, then it's asked and answered because these new buttons have LED indicators and the sound they make can be felt through the housing. The ones near me might as well be knocking.
  - avianlyric 3y ago
    There is a simple solution for making these buttons accessible for all, and we have them in the UK. It’s a simple button that clicks, and under the panel there’s a small knob that rotates. Click the button, then place your fingers on the knob and wait for it to start spinning. I can’t tell you if the crossing call button is completely broken (although you’ll figure that out if wait long enough), but broken call buttons in the UK are pretty rare, I’ve only encountered a small handful of broken buttons over 20 years.

extraduder_ire 3y ago

I love the synced vibration/beep feature on crossing buttons, as I made a habit of laying my hand on top of the thing while waiting for the light to change. It gets my attention much faster than hearing/seeing the signals change, since I'm usually looking around during the time I'm waiting. Mostly at the lights for cars, since that hints at when it's my turn to go. (I can see and hear just fine, accessibility features like this are just bonus for me.) I am most used to these ones specifically: https://c8.alamy.com/comp/ECW0FA/pedestrian-crossing-traffic-light-control-button-western-road-cork-ECW0FA.jpg https://c8.alamy.com/comp/ECW0FA/pedestrian-crossing-traffic... Can be activated with your elbow, the thing beeps and the bottom lights up when you activate it.