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Putting Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland (AKA Ireland) on different timezones strikes me as political suicide for anyone proposing it. But otherwis

by NeoTar 3y ago

Putting Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland (AKA Ireland) on different timezones strikes me as political suicide for anyone proposing it. But otherwise I am warm to the proposal. Some tweaks would make it more practical/politically acceptable (keep Portugal and Ireland on the Western Time Zone, don't split up Greece from the islands).

closewith 3y ago
Yes, that's completely absurd. Ireland is more likely to leave the EU than accept timezone partition.
- switch007 3y ago
  Nonsense. Ireland will never leave the EU. They more likely to accept a time zone difference than leave the EU. They wanted membership desperately in the early 60s but had to wait a decade partly because de Galle hated the Brits. They couldn’t join quick enough.
  - closewith 3y ago
    Are you aware of the accession path Ireland took and why it was linked to UK accession? Ireland has the highest level of pro-EU sentiment in the bloc and it is still more likely that we will leave than accept a timezone partition with the North. It's not in question. Failure to understand this is a complete failure to understand the country.
    - switch007 3y ago
      I am. What’s your point ? I know Ireland likes the riches that come with EU membership. They don’t want to return to being a poor country. It would be a time zone difference, not a partition. Let’s not used such loaded language. Edit: is the USA “partitioned” or any less united because of multiple timezones?
      - dudul 3y ago
        The US would definitely be more efficient with fewer timezones. Really we should find a way to remove at least one between the 2 coasts. United, no, but the US is not the EU. America is united by default, Europe divided.
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        ghaff 3y ago
        The number of timezones is pretty irrelevant. It's that there is a 3 hour time difference between the East Coast and the West Coast. (And an 8-9 hour time difference between the West Coast and Europe.) But the only real way to deal with that is to shift Pacific Time to Mountain Time.
        dudul 3y ago
        I can't see how my message wasn't clear enough. This is exactly what I meant. Did you think I was suggesting to remove a timezone without adjusting the remaining ones to reduce the time difference between the coasts?
      - adw 3y ago
        Loaded language is _entirely_ appropriate when you're talking about a frozen war (which, let's be clear, is what we are talking about here).
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      - closewith 3y ago
        > I am. What’s your point ? Then you know that Northern Ireland was a more important issue than EU membership and that remains true. Hence all the hoops jumped through for the Northern Irish Agreement after Brexit. > I know Ireland likes the riches that come with EU membership. They don’t want to return to being a poor country. What you're suggesting is risking descent into civil war. > It would be a time zone difference, not a partition. Let’s not used such loaded language. If you don't know why I'm using the term partition and why it would be the term immediately applied to this idea, you don't know enough to how know how little you understand this issue.
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dist-epoch 3y ago
Not even one of the signatory experts is from UK/Ireland. They could be completely clueless of what dynamite they are playing with.
- dfawcus 3y ago
  Yeah, but given they seem to be proposing that the UK change from its current natural position, to what would be permanent BST, it seems daft. (It would help if they'd included the UTC offsets with their diagram) I'd suggest that ain't going to happen, especially as the UK is no longer a member of the EU, and so this will be ignored. As I recall part of the issue with the previous time this was proposed was that the UK intended to continuing observing Summer Time in the summer, and hence it would cause issues for Ireland if it had to stop switching. I guess we can only wait and see...
  - M2Ys4U 3y ago
    >Yeah, but given they seem to be proposing that the UK change from its current natural position, to what would be permanent BST, it seems daft. They're not, though? The UK would be on UTC/GMT rather than BST.
dudul 3y ago
Same with corsica an hour ahead of continental France. This is idiotic.

by NeoTar 3y ago

closewith 3y ago

Yes, that's completely absurd. Ireland is more likely to leave the EU than accept timezone partition.

switch007 3y ago
Nonsense. Ireland will never leave the EU. They more likely to accept a time zone difference than leave the EU. They wanted membership desperately in the early 60s but had to wait a decade partly because de Galle hated the Brits. They couldn’t join quick enough.
- closewith 3y ago
  Are you aware of the accession path Ireland took and why it was linked to UK accession? Ireland has the highest level of pro-EU sentiment in the bloc and it is still more likely that we will leave than accept a timezone partition with the North. It's not in question. Failure to understand this is a complete failure to understand the country.
  - switch007 3y ago
    I am. What’s your point ? I know Ireland likes the riches that come with EU membership. They don’t want to return to being a poor country. It would be a time zone difference, not a partition. Let’s not used such loaded language. Edit: is the USA “partitioned” or any less united because of multiple timezones?
    - dudul 3y ago
      The US would definitely be more efficient with fewer timezones. Really we should find a way to remove at least one between the 2 coasts. United, no, but the US is not the EU. America is united by default, Europe divided.
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      - ghaff 3y ago
        The number of timezones is pretty irrelevant. It's that there is a 3 hour time difference between the East Coast and the West Coast. (And an 8-9 hour time difference between the West Coast and Europe.) But the only real way to deal with that is to shift Pacific Time to Mountain Time.
        dudul 3y ago
        I can't see how my message wasn't clear enough. This is exactly what I meant. Did you think I was suggesting to remove a timezone without adjusting the remaining ones to reduce the time difference between the coasts?
    - adw 3y ago
      Loaded language is _entirely_ appropriate when you're talking about a frozen war (which, let's be clear, is what we are talking about here).
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    - closewith 3y ago
      > I am. What’s your point ? Then you know that Northern Ireland was a more important issue than EU membership and that remains true. Hence all the hoops jumped through for the Northern Irish Agreement after Brexit. > I know Ireland likes the riches that come with EU membership. They don’t want to return to being a poor country. What you're suggesting is risking descent into civil war. > It would be a time zone difference, not a partition. Let’s not used such loaded language. If you don't know why I'm using the term partition and why it would be the term immediately applied to this idea, you don't know enough to how know how little you understand this issue.

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dist-epoch 3y ago

Not even one of the signatory experts is from UK/Ireland. They could be completely clueless of what dynamite they are playing with.

dfawcus 3y ago
Yeah, but given they seem to be proposing that the UK change from its current natural position, to what would be permanent BST, it seems daft. (It would help if they'd included the UTC offsets with their diagram) I'd suggest that ain't going to happen, especially as the UK is no longer a member of the EU, and so this will be ignored. As I recall part of the issue with the previous time this was proposed was that the UK intended to continuing observing Summer Time in the summer, and hence it would cause issues for Ireland if it had to stop switching. I guess we can only wait and see...
- M2Ys4U 3y ago
  >Yeah, but given they seem to be proposing that the UK change from its current natural position, to what would be permanent BST, it seems daft. They're not, though? The UK would be on UTC/GMT rather than BST.

dudul 3y ago

Same with corsica an hour ahead of continental France. This is idiotic.