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Well, yeah, I have no proof that it is literally true. I've never had an actual conversation with a corporation, only with the individual humans it comprises.

by lisper 3y ago

Well, yeah, I have no proof that it is literally true. I've never had an actual conversation with a corporation, only with the individual humans it comprises. I don't even know what having a conversation with a corporation would even look like.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
Are you sure? Maybe you've never had an actual conversation with a human, but only the individual vocal fold cells that were making the utterances. Inside that human, neurons were directing the vocal mechanism on what to say, but weren't causing the sound to be emitted themselves. When you talked to the corporation, were hidden (from you) managers directing the spokesperson to speak based on stilted scripts? Individual humans are rare, and people dislike being near them. You can become contaminated by them, and it causes no end of problems.
- esafak 3y ago
  One should prefer the simpler explanation over the far fetched one you posited. Otherwise we could be a simulation running in a membrane universe etc.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
    Nothing I said was even slightly far-fetched. I'm stating things as they are... but framing it in a way you're uncomfortable with.
joshmarlow 3y ago
Just having fun and speculating a lot here... IIRC, there was a study that found that when humans are presented with a sufficiently short-lived stimulus, there is correlated localized activity in the brain (ie, the visual processing areas for a sight) but not globalized activity - and the subject is unaware of the stimuli. But when the stimuli is presented for long enough, there is globalized activity - and the person is aware. It looks like 'becoming aware of a thing' has a lot to do with non-local inference that could involve other unrelated subsystems (which is the main idea in Baar's Global workspace theory, IIUC). > I've never had an actual conversation with a corporation... So if you've talked with a support person, maybe you have? If it was a simple issue, the corporation maybe wouldn't be 'aware' (though it could later remember it in the form of chat logs or support tickets). But if it was a difficult issue? Maybe you got tech support? Maybe your issue found it's way into some team's backlog? Maybe it even changed a product roadmap. Maybe we talk to corporations all the time - it's just weird fitting the interaction into our mental models of 'conversation'.
pixl97 3y ago
With the new audio AI's that are out, are you sure?

by lisper 3y ago

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago

Are you sure? Maybe you've never had an actual conversation with a human, but only the individual vocal fold cells that were making the utterances. Inside that human, neurons were directing the vocal mechanism on what to say, but weren't causing the sound to be emitted themselves. When you talked to the corporation, were hidden (from you) managers directing the spokesperson to speak based on stilted scripts? Individual humans are rare, and people dislike being near them. You can become contaminated by them, and it causes no end of problems.

esafak 3y ago
One should prefer the simpler explanation over the far fetched one you posited. Otherwise we could be a simulation running in a membrane universe etc.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  Nothing I said was even slightly far-fetched. I'm stating things as they are... but framing it in a way you're uncomfortable with.

joshmarlow 3y ago

Just having fun and speculating a lot here... IIRC, there was a study that found that when humans are presented with a sufficiently short-lived stimulus, there is correlated localized activity in the brain (ie, the visual processing areas for a sight) but not globalized activity - and the subject is unaware of the stimuli. But when the stimuli is presented for long enough, there is globalized activity - and the person is aware. It looks like 'becoming aware of a thing' has a lot to do with non-local inference that could involve other unrelated subsystems (which is the main idea in Baar's Global workspace theory, IIUC). > I've never had an actual conversation with a corporation... So if you've talked with a support person, maybe you have? If it was a simple issue, the corporation maybe wouldn't be 'aware' (though it could later remember it in the form of chat logs or support tickets). But if it was a difficult issue? Maybe you got tech support? Maybe your issue found it's way into some team's backlog? Maybe it even changed a product roadmap. Maybe we talk to corporations all the time - it's just weird fitting the interaction into our mental models of 'conversation'.

pixl97 3y ago

With the new audio AI's that are out, are you sure?