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Nobody is cross shopping a Model X and a small economy car. You need to compare 'worse for the environment' of a Model X vs. a medium-big SUV.

iancmceachern 3y ago
I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if one's goal was to save the environment they would focus on making those small cars, and as many of them as possible. Not Model Xs, not cyber trucks, not roadsters, etc
- Kirby64 3y ago
  Improving efficiency of the least efficient cars is actually better at making a meaningful difference. Replacing a 20mpg average car with an EV that gets 80mpge makes a proportionally bigger difference than replacing a 35mpg car with one that gets 115mpge. The least efficient vehicles have the biggest impact on the environment.
  - iancmceachern 3y ago
    But I'm aggregate that gets lost in the noise due to the relative volumes. Small 2 cycle engines like mopeds are the biggest contributor. Then small cars, these luxury cars are a small percent of global emissions. Also, those people don't have to drive big luxury cars, they can buy these smaller cars.
    - Kirby64 3y ago
      There's room in the market for both of these types of vehicles. Asking people who typically buy big luxury cars to 'just buy a smaller car' would be nice in theory, but isn't going to happen in practice. There are many reasons, valid or potentially invalid, to own a larger car or a truck, and often you're not going to change people's minds on that.
      - iancmceachern 3y ago
        I agree. I'm saying that the folks buying the former should not be doing so under the pretense that it's better for the environment, or society.
        Kirby64 3y ago
        But, no, that's not right. If someone is typically a buyer of a ... Range Rover, or a BMW X5, or something like that, then replacing that car with an EV of equivalent size makes a proportionally larger impact on the environment than someone who replaces their Corolla with a small EV.
        iancmceachern 3y ago
        Your missing the point. An EV is not necessary better than a gas car. An EV like the Plaid X or the Hummer EV actually use the equivalent of more fuel than the competition. A gas X5 is more energy efficient than a X.

iancmceachern 3y ago

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if one's goal was to save the environment they would focus on making those small cars, and as many of them as possible. Not Model Xs, not cyber trucks, not roadsters, etc

Kirby64 3y ago
Improving efficiency of the least efficient cars is actually better at making a meaningful difference. Replacing a 20mpg average car with an EV that gets 80mpge makes a proportionally bigger difference than replacing a 35mpg car with one that gets 115mpge. The least efficient vehicles have the biggest impact on the environment.
- iancmceachern 3y ago
  But I'm aggregate that gets lost in the noise due to the relative volumes. Small 2 cycle engines like mopeds are the biggest contributor. Then small cars, these luxury cars are a small percent of global emissions. Also, those people don't have to drive big luxury cars, they can buy these smaller cars.
  - Kirby64 3y ago
    There's room in the market for both of these types of vehicles. Asking people who typically buy big luxury cars to 'just buy a smaller car' would be nice in theory, but isn't going to happen in practice. There are many reasons, valid or potentially invalid, to own a larger car or a truck, and often you're not going to change people's minds on that.
    - iancmceachern 3y ago
      I agree. I'm saying that the folks buying the former should not be doing so under the pretense that it's better for the environment, or society.
      - Kirby64 3y ago
        But, no, that's not right. If someone is typically a buyer of a ... Range Rover, or a BMW X5, or something like that, then replacing that car with an EV of equivalent size makes a proportionally larger impact on the environment than someone who replaces their Corolla with a small EV.
        iancmceachern 3y ago
        Your missing the point. An EV is not necessary better than a gas car. An EV like the Plaid X or the Hummer EV actually use the equivalent of more fuel than the competition. A gas X5 is more energy efficient than a X.