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Does it still refuse to answer basic history facts (e.g. "What happened in 1989 on Tiananmen square?") like other LLMs from China?
by qualifiedai 3y ago
Does it still refuse to answer basic history facts (e.g. "What happened in 1989 on Tiananmen square?") like other LLMs from China?
- brucethemoose2 3y agoYi 34B 200K is not like this. In fact, it seems to answer like it is Taiwanese, with way more fervor than base Llama.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 3y agoHow is that any different from US neutering its LLMs to not discuss 'unsafe' topics?
- boppo1 3y agoIt's not. I dislike the US neutering too.
- qualifiedai 3y agoObviously what is being "neutered" is important. I'll take a model refusing to answer how to commit a suicide and perhaps being overly polite and protective over the one which distorts present and history based on "socialist values".
- fullspectrumdev 3y agoPersonally I’ll take neither. Alignment and such is a fucking scam.
- qualifiedai 3y agoNo, alignment should be done. Also, both base and aligned models should be released publicly.
- mensetmanusman 3y agoChoice of data to use is alignment. If you train it on the internet, your LLM will spew SSO garbage, so we align it to be more useful.
- staunton 3y agoAlignment just means that the software does what you want. Of course, any term can be appropriated and abused by whoever can gain from doing so. I still think it's important to have a concrete idea what one means when one uses words. For example, you wouldn't say that "medicine is a fucking scam" to mean that the healthcare industry is broken.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 3y agoNo. The moment you put it upon yourself to decide what is too important to let fragile little minds handle, you have chosen yourself as their thought master. Once anyone chooses that role, they deem themselves more enlightened and therefore more capable than the poor, deluded masses trudging in dirt below from whence they came. I am ok with 'uncensored' LLM, but I am also ok with uncensored internet. The real harm is from people trying to protect me from me, apparently. Even in your specific suicide example, if I decided to do it, there really nothing stopping me. I see no value in that censorship. I only see harm.
- thinkingtoilet 3y ago"Once anyone chooses that role, they deem themselves more enlightened and therefore more capable than the poor, deluded masses trudging in dirt below from whence they came." Or they simply want to sell their models to enterprise clients who don't want to expose certain things to their employees during the work day. This reads a bit like those "I'm a lion" or "I'm the alpha wolf" type posts. Go ahead and try to sell a product that can generate hate speech, nudity, and violent content to enterprises.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 3y agoI appreciate the counter ( even if I do not appreciate the 'wolf' framing ), because that is a valid question. Still, if the concern is about business viability, why is the consumer facing LLM that is not tied to a specific brand not allowed to exist? Surely, the demos provided to enterprise client would not suffer from such violent content, abhorrent nudity and hateful speech? Why is internet flooded with images of LLMs giving clearly politically adjusted responses ( Biden/Trump being less recent, but clear example ) to Joe Schmoe? Is that a good look? Will that sell to enterprises better?
- thinkingtoilet 3y agoWell, maybe drop phrases like "fragile little minds", "thought master", "poor, deluded masses trudging in dirt below from whence they came" when talking about enterprise software if you don't want the comparison. That's what this is, enterprise software. No need to imply others are mindless sheep being ultra sensitive when discussing enterprise software.
- ipaddr 3y agoMight be important if you are trying to find ways to prevent suicide. Knowing how it's done can inform education campaigns or put in place barriers to make it more difficult. When we choose one simple use-case and apply it to everything we lose out. Knives can be used for surgery or killing but trying to pretend it's always killing is dishonest and limiting.
- WoahNoun 3y agoOne is a company freely deciding what it's product should and shouldn't do and the other is forced by the government.
- rat9988 3y agoThey are both the same. Edit: to people who downvote, can you tell me why it is different? Aren't companies in USA censoring fearing governmental reaction, and the same for chinese companies?
- bryanlarsen 3y agoThey're censoring fearing the vagaries of fickle advertisers.
- WoahNoun 3y agoNo, they fear that enterprises won't buy their product.
- civilitty 3y ago> Edit: to people who downvote, can you tell me why it is different? Aren't companies in USA censoring fearing governmental reaction, and the same for chinese companies? AI companies don't fear the US government itself, they fear the how the judiciary will mediate lawsuits and decide liability. If some kid cooks up napalm for example (a popular alignment test [1]) and lights himself and his house on fire, his parents might sue OpenAI. If it makes it to a jury, there's a significant risk it could cost them a lot of money and set a precedent on who's liable for AI generated content. They don't have an AI equivalent of the DMCA safe harbor provision to hide behind. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35630801 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35630801
- A4ET8a8uTh0 3y agoYou are on HN, when we discuss encroaching private-public partnerships all the time. Not that long ago, WH got in trouble for encouraging suppression of some news items over others[1]. We are already at a point, where the difference between corps and government is more of a legal abstraction than a reality ( legal abstraction circumvented by that partnership, but that is a different rant ). There is no difference. [1]https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/08/politics/twitter-hearing-house-oversight/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/08/politics/twitter-hearing-hous...
- mensetmanusman 3y agoHow are western values (historical anomaly) different than authoritarian values (historical norm)?
- campbel 3y agoSeriously, the constant conflating of authoritarian censorship with limiting hate speech and bomb making instructions is tiring.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 3y agoI know right? That those non-aurhoritarian regimes are so hell bent on adopting authoritarian features is mind boggling.
- ok123456 3y agoTry asking ChatGPT any questions about Israel without getting jibberish about "controversy" and it being "complicated."
- mensetmanusman 3y agohttps://chat.openai.com/share/369d8511-e525-4a99-b79a-8a5dc09113ce https://chat.openai.com/share/369d8511-e525-4a99-b79a-8a5dc0... Tried the trick of telling it to take the view of communists?
- I_Am_Nous 3y ago>China generally adheres to a principle of non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries, a stance rooted in its own historical experiences with foreign intervention. (...) Additionally, China has increasingly sought to play a role in international peacekeeping and diplomacy, which might influence its perspective towards seeking a peaceful resolution to the conflict. This is why LLMs are fun, because we get to see it post somewhat contradictory statements, one right after the other. Does China want to interfere, or not?
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- MuffinFlavored 3y agoDo you mean 1989?
- qualifiedai 3y agoSorry, yes :). You can try that question on "aligned" Baichuan2-chat model on HF.