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Guy was a crook and had no remorse for killing millions of civilians and cozying up with dictators. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/henry-kissinger-dies_n_637693

by nojvek 3y ago

Guy was a crook and had no remorse for killing millions of civilians and cozying up with dictators. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/henry-kissinger-dies_n_6376933ae4b0afce046cb44f https://www.huffpost.com/entry/henry-kissinger-dies_n_637693... The world needs less people like him. No one should ever be complicit in carpet bombing. It's inhumane. We in the US ought to hold the govt accountable everytime they drop bombs from the sky on civilians. We're currently helping Israel do that in Gaza with our tax dollars. Hospitals and Schools getting air bombed. That is not who we are.

marcelluspye 3y ago
>That is not who we are. No, that is not who you would like us to be/have been. Very evidently, that is who we are.
stormking 3y ago
Hospitals and schools that are used by Hamas.
- burnerburnito 3y ago
  While I agree to an extent, this begs an obvious question: How far do we take this line of thinking? Is an attack like 9/11 justified since even the twin towers were used by the US government indirectly, owing to nearly everyone within paying taxes that supported US wars and expeditionary-ism? Likewise, I'd want to keep in mind things like relative size and options on the table. WW2 incendiary and atomic bombing is one thing in the context of the ferocity and consumption of that war. Yet in the case of a small territory under varying degrees of military occupation and without full self determination, is there really no capability to take any action but bombing such places? (And no moral imperative to try to cause less collateral if it's realistically possible?)
  - Always_Anon 3y ago
    >While I agree to an extent, this begs an obvious question: How far do we take this line of thinking? It be cool if military and geopolitical leaders got together to define some of these things. They could get together and have a convention of sorts, maybe in a central, neutral place, like Geneva. >Is an attack like 9/11 justified since even the twin towers were used by the US government indirectly, owing to nearly everyone within paying taxes that supported US wars and expeditionary-ism? Were there uniformed military personnel operating out of the Twin Towers? Of course there weren't, so it's not even close to being comparable.
    - 93po 3y ago
      > It be cool if military and geopolitical leaders got together to define some of these things. Israel is blatantly violating international laws
      - Always_Anon 3y ago
        >Israel is blatantly violating international laws Bombing military targets is allowed. Hospitals, mosques, etc. lose their protected status if they are being used for military operations, which they are.
        93po 3y ago
        I'm relying on Amnesty International's evaluation of the situation and not taking Netanyahu's propaganda at face value, since he is a known liar and is disingenuous in virtually everything he says.
        lobocinza 3y ago
        Relying on AI evaluation is also dangerous. That NGO isn't trustworthy.
        bmulcahy 3y ago
        Why not?
        wahnfrieden 3y ago
        with white phosphorus?
        Always_Anon 3y ago
        That was fake news, like the hospital bombing.
        3y ago
- ed_balls 3y ago
  There is zero evidence that Hamas used hospitals for military purposes. Unless you are saying that people use schools to get education and hospitals to get medical treatment, well then yes.
  - cyberge99 3y ago
    There is video of entrances into the Hamas tunnel system in hospital rubble. So at a minimum they were using the hospital for an unintended purpose. How can one have rules of engagement when terrorists to not honor them?
    - skyyler 3y ago
      Is this really the venue for this? Is this what you want to use your time for?
  - matthewfelgate 3y ago
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  - lobocinza 3y ago
    The evidence could be questionable but it's not inexistent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_military_use_of_al-Shifa_hospital https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_military_use_of_al-Shi...
- octokatt 3y ago
  Couldn’t find the original link, but here’s news coverage for a game called September 12th. > In this Serious Game you need to kill terrorists shooting missiles. The action uses first person perspective in order to enhance immersion. The problem is that terrorists are surrounded by civilians and it is almost impossible to attack terrorists without killing civilians too. The dead are mourned and the rage of the survivors turns them into terrorists. You just have to play for a couple of minutes to realize that the only way to avoid ‘collateral damage’ is not to play. This nicely completes the loop back to Kissinger’s choices in life. https://www.onseriousgames.com/september-12th-a-toy-world-newsgame/ https://www.onseriousgames.com/september-12th-a-toy-world-ne...
- afroboy 3y ago
  And? Hamas defending their homes from invaders.
colpabar 3y ago
>helping israel >not who we are It is absolutely who we are. We unconditionally support israel no matter what they do. They are our greatest ally!
robertoandred 3y ago
Remember when Hamas said Israel air bombed a hospital killing hundreds and everyone believed them and it turned out they were lying and it was actually a PIJ misfire.
- deleted 3y ago
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matthewfelgate 3y ago
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by nojvek 3y ago

marcelluspye 3y ago

>That is not who we are. No, that is not who you would like us to be/have been. Very evidently, that is who we are.

stormking 3y ago

Hospitals and schools that are used by Hamas.

burnerburnito 3y ago
While I agree to an extent, this begs an obvious question: How far do we take this line of thinking? Is an attack like 9/11 justified since even the twin towers were used by the US government indirectly, owing to nearly everyone within paying taxes that supported US wars and expeditionary-ism? Likewise, I'd want to keep in mind things like relative size and options on the table. WW2 incendiary and atomic bombing is one thing in the context of the ferocity and consumption of that war. Yet in the case of a small territory under varying degrees of military occupation and without full self determination, is there really no capability to take any action but bombing such places? (And no moral imperative to try to cause less collateral if it's realistically possible?)
- Always_Anon 3y ago
  >While I agree to an extent, this begs an obvious question: How far do we take this line of thinking? It be cool if military and geopolitical leaders got together to define some of these things. They could get together and have a convention of sorts, maybe in a central, neutral place, like Geneva. >Is an attack like 9/11 justified since even the twin towers were used by the US government indirectly, owing to nearly everyone within paying taxes that supported US wars and expeditionary-ism? Were there uniformed military personnel operating out of the Twin Towers? Of course there weren't, so it's not even close to being comparable.
  - 93po 3y ago
    > It be cool if military and geopolitical leaders got together to define some of these things. Israel is blatantly violating international laws
    - Always_Anon 3y ago
      >Israel is blatantly violating international laws Bombing military targets is allowed. Hospitals, mosques, etc. lose their protected status if they are being used for military operations, which they are.
      - 93po 3y ago
        I'm relying on Amnesty International's evaluation of the situation and not taking Netanyahu's propaganda at face value, since he is a known liar and is disingenuous in virtually everything he says.
        lobocinza 3y ago
        Relying on AI evaluation is also dangerous. That NGO isn't trustworthy.
        bmulcahy 3y ago
        Why not?
      - wahnfrieden 3y ago
        with white phosphorus?
        Always_Anon 3y ago
        That was fake news, like the hospital bombing.
        3y ago
ed_balls 3y ago
There is zero evidence that Hamas used hospitals for military purposes. Unless you are saying that people use schools to get education and hospitals to get medical treatment, well then yes.
- cyberge99 3y ago
  There is video of entrances into the Hamas tunnel system in hospital rubble. So at a minimum they were using the hospital for an unintended purpose. How can one have rules of engagement when terrorists to not honor them?
  - skyyler 3y ago
    Is this really the venue for this? Is this what you want to use your time for?
- matthewfelgate 3y ago
  [flagged]
- lobocinza 3y ago
  The evidence could be questionable but it's not inexistent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_military_use_of_al-Shifa_hospital https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_military_use_of_al-Shi...
octokatt 3y ago
Couldn’t find the original link, but here’s news coverage for a game called September 12th. > In this Serious Game you need to kill terrorists shooting missiles. The action uses first person perspective in order to enhance immersion. The problem is that terrorists are surrounded by civilians and it is almost impossible to attack terrorists without killing civilians too. The dead are mourned and the rage of the survivors turns them into terrorists. You just have to play for a couple of minutes to realize that the only way to avoid ‘collateral damage’ is not to play. This nicely completes the loop back to Kissinger’s choices in life. https://www.onseriousgames.com/september-12th-a-toy-world-newsgame/ https://www.onseriousgames.com/september-12th-a-toy-world-ne...
afroboy 3y ago
And? Hamas defending their homes from invaders.

colpabar 3y ago

>helping israel >not who we are It is absolutely who we are. We unconditionally support israel no matter what they do. They are our greatest ally!

robertoandred 3y ago

Remember when Hamas said Israel air bombed a hospital killing hundreds and everyone believed them and it turned out they were lying and it was actually a PIJ misfire.

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matthewfelgate 3y ago

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