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I think a strong argument can be made in the other way. I went running the other day and had a long conversation with ChatGPT. That sort of experience is absolu

I think a strong argument can be made in the other way. I went running the other day and had a long conversation with ChatGPT. That sort of experience is absolutely pushing boundaries...but I can see that they aren't the boundaries that Apple wants to celebrate at this moment. Apple has set a pattern of rewarding beautiful, self-contained, cohesive, through-designed, snackable experiences. A technology that challenges the notion of a smartphone itself is basically out-of-bounds.

gtirloni 3y ago
If anything, ChatGPT even without platform integrations, make Apple/Google/Amazon look bad because the quality is so much higher than their assistants. It also doesn't showcase any of the platforms in particular, it doesn't try to be the "$platform killer app" of anything. I think it's understandable that these platforms aren't giving ChatGPT any awards. It is not helping to make the platform stand out against other platforms.
- danpalmer 3y ago
  > I think it's understandable that these platforms aren't giving ChatGPT any awards. It is not helping to make the platform stand out against other platforms. I agree, but I think the crux of my point is that this is because ChatGPT the app doesn't stand out from a platform perspective, rather than because advertising ChatGPT would go against the platform goals. Essentially I have no real reason to question the integrity of the awards processes here, because they seem to be awarded for the same reasons as they always are, and that ChatGPT just doesn't tick the boxes they're looking for. I'm not naive enough to think some exec hasn't been happy with the convenience of this, but it seems a little conspiracy-theory like to assume malice here.
mort96 3y ago
You've had that exact experience in tonnes of apps, probably with an equally good or better interface. It's a completely serviceable chat interface. The revolutionary part is that you're chatting with a language model running on a server rather than a human. But that doesn't make the app impressive, it makes the back-end impressive. App of the year isn't about celebrating impressive back-ends.
skydhash 3y ago
> I went running the other day and had a long conversation with ChatGPT. That sort of experience is absolutely pushing boundaries...but I can see that they aren't the boundaries that Apple wants to celebrate at this moment. Messages and WhatsApp are better designed and the communication experience is better.
danpalmer 3y ago
I agree that this is what Apple rewards, but your suggestion about ChatGPT sounds to me like an argument for the award of "best thing in the world with an app", not an argument for ChatGPT winning the app store awards.

gtirloni 3y ago

If anything, ChatGPT even without platform integrations, make Apple/Google/Amazon look bad because the quality is so much higher than their assistants. It also doesn't showcase any of the platforms in particular, it doesn't try to be the "$platform killer app" of anything. I think it's understandable that these platforms aren't giving ChatGPT any awards. It is not helping to make the platform stand out against other platforms.

danpalmer 3y ago
> I think it's understandable that these platforms aren't giving ChatGPT any awards. It is not helping to make the platform stand out against other platforms. I agree, but I think the crux of my point is that this is because ChatGPT the app doesn't stand out from a platform perspective, rather than because advertising ChatGPT would go against the platform goals. Essentially I have no real reason to question the integrity of the awards processes here, because they seem to be awarded for the same reasons as they always are, and that ChatGPT just doesn't tick the boxes they're looking for. I'm not naive enough to think some exec hasn't been happy with the convenience of this, but it seems a little conspiracy-theory like to assume malice here.

mort96 3y ago

You've had that exact experience in tonnes of apps, probably with an equally good or better interface. It's a completely serviceable chat interface. The revolutionary part is that you're chatting with a language model running on a server rather than a human. But that doesn't make the app impressive, it makes the back-end impressive. App of the year isn't about celebrating impressive back-ends.

skydhash 3y ago

> I went running the other day and had a long conversation with ChatGPT. That sort of experience is absolutely pushing boundaries...but I can see that they aren't the boundaries that Apple wants to celebrate at this moment. Messages and WhatsApp are better designed and the communication experience is better.

danpalmer 3y ago

I agree that this is what Apple rewards, but your suggestion about ChatGPT sounds to me like an argument for the award of "best thing in the world with an app", not an argument for ChatGPT winning the app store awards.