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That's like a cultural quirk they have over there, where even though it's not stipulated by law, people need to stay at the place they're leaving for two weeks,

That's like a cultural quirk they have over there, where even though it's not stipulated by law, people need to stay at the place they're leaving for two weeks, no matter what, otherwise the optics are really bad, for whatever reason. But it only works one way, if you get fired you usually get fired immediately, no two weeks to find something else. In my mind, it just looks like employees have been getting the short stick for so long that they don't even know what fair working conditions look like anymore.

aylmao 3y ago
I had never thought of it that way, but you're right— firing is immediate but employees always feel the obligation to stick around for two weeks. It tends to be a weird two weeks too. If you know you're quitting you're usually already preparing for it prior— taking less responsibility, finding who to hand projects to, etc. In my experience at times it's just two uncomfortable weeks of showing up and doing nothing.
- regularfry 3y ago
  Assuming your last paycheck includes those two weeks, that's (almost certainly, in context) an $X,000 difference in what you walk away with. I could probably stomach hanging around for an extra fortnight even if X was quite small.
  - aylmao 3y ago
    I guess it depends. Personally, if it's a job I really dislike, I don't mind losing the extra $X,000. I've discovered through the years my mental health is worth a lot more. Once you leave a high-paying job for one that pays less, or even to just take a break and earn nothing, you start thinking about these sorts of little extras as inconsequential at best. If the next job pays more than the last one, you could say it's a net loss for the employee too, since that's an extra two weeks one could've earned more. But if neither of those apply, it's probably worth it to hang around and get some extra cash, or just get a couple more weeks of hanging at the job with "graduation goggles" and little work stress, yeah.
    - regularfry 3y ago
      Having the end in sight is a huge factor. Two weeks of just more grind in a terrible job? No thank you. Two weeks of counting down the days until freedom? Definite maybe. But yes, NPV of the first couple of weeks of the next job might be important.
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- iepathos 3y ago
  yes, showing up and doing nothing and getting paid for it. imo worse deal for the company than the employee but gives company opportunity for project handoffs.
  - aylmao 3y ago
    I'm sure if it was actually meaningfully bad for the company it wouldn't be so common. The company could just make the employee to leave immediately.
- damontal 3y ago
  You may have colleagues or reports who you genuinely like and don't want to burn or over-stress by just leaving without warning. That's the way I see it. If I truly despised everyone I worked with I'd consider just leaving immediately if I had to opportunity, otherwise 2 weeks. Also if you just leave it may be harder to get a decent reference from your colleagues for future jobs.
geraldwhen 3y ago
I mean, it depends on what you need. If someone quit without notice, I’d still be a referral for them if they were good. We could all be laid off at any time.
- capableweb 3y ago
  > I mean, it depends on what you need. If someone quit without notice, I’d still be a referral for them if they were good. But wouldn't you claim that this is not a very common view to hold about the process of quitting, in the US? I've lost count how many times I've heard managers/executives being pissed off because an employee left without a two week notice, and they treat that happening as some sort of failure, instead of just a normal thing.
hyperliner 3y ago
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OnACoffeeBreak 3y ago
Oftentimes companies that lay employees off (i.e. fire them) offer a severance package where the company continues to pay your salary and offer some benefits for a period of time after you no longer work for them. Just like the two-week notice, it is not mandatory where I live in the US. I just wanted to highlight that a company paying severance as a reciprocal perk to the employee giving a two-week notice. Of course, severance is not universal, but, in my experience in the tech sector, having survived five lay offs at three companies and having been laid off once myself, it has been the case.
dudul 3y ago
Of course you get let go immediately. Who wants a fired employee to linger for 2 weeks? That would be an awkward half month. Otoh, companies usually pay a minimum of 2 weeks salary.
balderdash 3y ago
To be fair the employee is getting paid for those two weeks (and as others have noted it’s a pretty easy two weeks)

aylmao 3y ago

I had never thought of it that way, but you're right— firing is immediate but employees always feel the obligation to stick around for two weeks. It tends to be a weird two weeks too. If you know you're quitting you're usually already preparing for it prior— taking less responsibility, finding who to hand projects to, etc. In my experience at times it's just two uncomfortable weeks of showing up and doing nothing.

regularfry 3y ago
Assuming your last paycheck includes those two weeks, that's (almost certainly, in context) an $X,000 difference in what you walk away with. I could probably stomach hanging around for an extra fortnight even if X was quite small.
- aylmao 3y ago
  I guess it depends. Personally, if it's a job I really dislike, I don't mind losing the extra $X,000. I've discovered through the years my mental health is worth a lot more. Once you leave a high-paying job for one that pays less, or even to just take a break and earn nothing, you start thinking about these sorts of little extras as inconsequential at best. If the next job pays more than the last one, you could say it's a net loss for the employee too, since that's an extra two weeks one could've earned more. But if neither of those apply, it's probably worth it to hang around and get some extra cash, or just get a couple more weeks of hanging at the job with "graduation goggles" and little work stress, yeah.
  - regularfry 3y ago
    Having the end in sight is a huge factor. Two weeks of just more grind in a terrible job? No thank you. Two weeks of counting down the days until freedom? Definite maybe. But yes, NPV of the first couple of weeks of the next job might be important.
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iepathos 3y ago
yes, showing up and doing nothing and getting paid for it. imo worse deal for the company than the employee but gives company opportunity for project handoffs.
- aylmao 3y ago
  I'm sure if it was actually meaningfully bad for the company it wouldn't be so common. The company could just make the employee to leave immediately.
damontal 3y ago
You may have colleagues or reports who you genuinely like and don't want to burn or over-stress by just leaving without warning. That's the way I see it. If I truly despised everyone I worked with I'd consider just leaving immediately if I had to opportunity, otherwise 2 weeks. Also if you just leave it may be harder to get a decent reference from your colleagues for future jobs.

geraldwhen 3y ago

I mean, it depends on what you need. If someone quit without notice, I’d still be a referral for them if they were good. We could all be laid off at any time.

capableweb 3y ago
> I mean, it depends on what you need. If someone quit without notice, I’d still be a referral for them if they were good. But wouldn't you claim that this is not a very common view to hold about the process of quitting, in the US? I've lost count how many times I've heard managers/executives being pissed off because an employee left without a two week notice, and they treat that happening as some sort of failure, instead of just a normal thing.

hyperliner 3y ago

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OnACoffeeBreak 3y ago

Oftentimes companies that lay employees off (i.e. fire them) offer a severance package where the company continues to pay your salary and offer some benefits for a period of time after you no longer work for them. Just like the two-week notice, it is not mandatory where I live in the US. I just wanted to highlight that a company paying severance as a reciprocal perk to the employee giving a two-week notice. Of course, severance is not universal, but, in my experience in the tech sector, having survived five lay offs at three companies and having been laid off once myself, it has been the case.

dudul 3y ago

Of course you get let go immediately. Who wants a fired employee to linger for 2 weeks? That would be an awkward half month. Otoh, companies usually pay a minimum of 2 weeks salary.

balderdash 3y ago

To be fair the employee is getting paid for those two weeks (and as others have noted it’s a pretty easy two weeks)