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I get that, my issue is when the model is coupled with the app, or the app just presumes I don't have it downloaded and doesn't ask me otherwise. This is like b

I get that, my issue is when the model is coupled with the app, or the app just presumes I don't have it downloaded and doesn't ask me otherwise. This is like basic configuration stuff... What I suspect is happening is that people are cargo-culting zero-click installations. It seems rather fashionable right now.

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rgbrgb 3y ago
I don’t think making it easy to install is cargo-culting. In my case it’s an accessibility thing. I wanted a private alternative that I could give to nontechnical people in my life who had started using ChatGPT. Some don’t understand local vs cloud and definitely don’t know about ggufs or LLMs but they all install apps from the App Store.
whstl 3y ago
In the README of the project (the TFA of this whole thread) there is the option to download the app without the model: "You can also also download just the llamafile software (without any weights included) from our releases page, or directly in your terminal or command prompt" There is no cargo-culting going on. Some of us do legitimately appreciate it.
- pdntspa 3y ago
  Which has been followed, and this comment was not a response to this specific app but rather a general trend I've noticed and was mentioned at the start of this thread
  - whstl 3y ago
    I was answering to this complaint: "my issue is when the model is coupled with the app". In this specific case there is an option for you that addresses this complaint, where the model isn't coupled with the app.
ElectricalUnion 3y ago
Is this the sentiment around? Is having everything normalized in your system that worth it? I would say having (some) duplicates in your system is mostly fine, better that having some spooky-action-at-a-distance break things when you don't expect. I expect the future is something like Windows's WinSxS, NixOS's /nix/store, pnpm's .pnpm-store where that deduping isn't "online" but it still is somewhat automated and hidden from you.
- pdntspa 3y ago
  > Is this the sentiment around? Yes? It's right here, at the least. And if that's the future, then the future sucks. We can teach people to be smarter, but no, instead our software has to bend over backwards to blow smoke up our ass because grandma.

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rgbrgb 3y ago

I don’t think making it easy to install is cargo-culting. In my case it’s an accessibility thing. I wanted a private alternative that I could give to nontechnical people in my life who had started using ChatGPT. Some don’t understand local vs cloud and definitely don’t know about ggufs or LLMs but they all install apps from the App Store.

whstl 3y ago

In the README of the project (the TFA of this whole thread) there is the option to download the app without the model: "You can also also download just the llamafile software (without any weights included) from our releases page, or directly in your terminal or command prompt" There is no cargo-culting going on. Some of us do legitimately appreciate it.

pdntspa 3y ago
Which has been followed, and this comment was not a response to this specific app but rather a general trend I've noticed and was mentioned at the start of this thread
- whstl 3y ago
  I was answering to this complaint: "my issue is when the model is coupled with the app". In this specific case there is an option for you that addresses this complaint, where the model isn't coupled with the app.

ElectricalUnion 3y ago

Is this the sentiment around? Is having everything normalized in your system that worth it? I would say having (some) duplicates in your system is mostly fine, better that having some spooky-action-at-a-distance break things when you don't expect. I expect the future is something like Windows's WinSxS, NixOS's /nix/store, pnpm's .pnpm-store where that deduping isn't "online" but it still is somewhat automated and hidden from you.

pdntspa 3y ago
> Is this the sentiment around? Yes? It's right here, at the least. And if that's the future, then the future sucks. We can teach people to be smarter, but no, instead our software has to bend over backwards to blow smoke up our ass because grandma.