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It's not a "dumb name". It is an intentionally deceptive name.

alistairSH 3y ago
Source? (I haven’t been able to find the first use of the term) My understanding is the term came into use because it was common for unlicensed sellers to set up tables at gun shows. The law isnt about gun shows specifically, but gun shows were a common way for unlicensed sellers and buyers seeking to avoid background checks to do business.
- Turing_Machine 3y ago
  "Source" for what? If someone who purports to be against eating fish (a legal activity anywhere) starts going off about the "Catholic Church fish fry loophole", there's no need for a source to conclude that the person is almost certainly trying to hurt the Catholic Church, rather than protecting fish per se. Your understanding is wrong, by the way. If you sell more than a few guns per year (where "a few" is up to the ATF agent's discretion), the ATF is going to conclude that you are an unlicensed dealer and you will go to jail for a very long time (edit: five years in prison, $250,000 fine, or both).
  - alistairSH 3y ago
    A source for where the word was initially used as an intentionally deceptive term. It appears the term pre-dates the Brady Act, so it also pre-dates my political awareness (I was in high school in the early 90s). Here's a documented case of the gun show loophole in practice at a gun show as recently as 2019... https://gunsandamerica.org/story/19/01/29/what-the-so-called-gun-show-loophole-really-looks-like/ https://gunsandamerica.org/story/19/01/29/what-the-so-called... This practice was closed by the Safer Communities Act in 2022. But, in the majority of states, this doesn't prevent a buyer from legally purchasing a gun from a private seller. Like I said above, it's a stupid name, especially given the changes in 2022, and I'm happy to call it "private sale legal quirk" or whatever you want. Changing the common name doesn't change the underlying law - private sales are unregulated at the federal level - and that (IMO) is silly - either the sale of guns should be regulated or it shouldn't (obviously I fall on the regulated side).
    - alistairSH 3y ago
      And just a reminder, it wasn't me who first mentioned gun shows in this thread. That was something from a thro-away account.

Source? (I haven’t been able to find the first use of the term) My understanding is the term came into use because it was common for unlicensed sellers to set up tables at gun shows. The law isnt about gun shows specifically, but gun shows were a common way for unlicensed sellers and buyers seeking to avoid background checks to do business.

Turing_Machine 3y ago
"Source" for what? If someone who purports to be against eating fish (a legal activity anywhere) starts going off about the "Catholic Church fish fry loophole", there's no need for a source to conclude that the person is almost certainly trying to hurt the Catholic Church, rather than protecting fish per se. Your understanding is wrong, by the way. If you sell more than a few guns per year (where "a few" is up to the ATF agent's discretion), the ATF is going to conclude that you are an unlicensed dealer and you will go to jail for a very long time (edit: five years in prison, $250,000 fine, or both).
- alistairSH 3y ago
  A source for where the word was initially used as an intentionally deceptive term. It appears the term pre-dates the Brady Act, so it also pre-dates my political awareness (I was in high school in the early 90s). Here's a documented case of the gun show loophole in practice at a gun show as recently as 2019... https://gunsandamerica.org/story/19/01/29/what-the-so-called-gun-show-loophole-really-looks-like/ https://gunsandamerica.org/story/19/01/29/what-the-so-called... This practice was closed by the Safer Communities Act in 2022. But, in the majority of states, this doesn't prevent a buyer from legally purchasing a gun from a private seller. Like I said above, it's a stupid name, especially given the changes in 2022, and I'm happy to call it "private sale legal quirk" or whatever you want. Changing the common name doesn't change the underlying law - private sales are unregulated at the federal level - and that (IMO) is silly - either the sale of guns should be regulated or it shouldn't (obviously I fall on the regulated side).
  - alistairSH 3y ago
    And just a reminder, it wasn't me who first mentioned gun shows in this thread. That was something from a thro-away account.