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The USA’s recent sanctions against the PRC has made Loongson forbidden if I remember correctly. Hopefully, this will change.

poizan42 3y ago
I was under the impression that the sanctions worked the other way around, i.e. Loongson can't buy a lot of things from American companies. > Entities on the Entity List are prohibited from purchasing or licensing American technologies, even indirectly. For example, Loongson can't have its CPUs manufactured by American equipment, ruling out most foundries with modern nodes. According to https://www.techspot.com/news/97817-us-blacklists-china-loongson-cpus-reach-maturity.html https://www.techspot.com/news/97817-us-blacklists-china-loon...
cingraa 3y ago
The sanctions are here to stay. The USA wants to make China capitulate. There is an economic war against China. When you cannot win by merit, you invent excuses to slap sanctions.
- RobotToaster 3y ago
  The sanctions also seem to have done a great job accelerating Chinese mainland semiconductor technology. Before the sanctions most mainland companies were happy having their chips fabbed by TSMC
- andsoitis 3y ago
  > The sanctions are here to stay. The USA wants to make China capitulate. There is an economic war against China. When you cannot win by merit, you invent excuses to slap sanctions. There are two types of games: finite games and infinite games. Finite games have fixed rules, a winner and loser, etc. Infinite games don't have fixed rules, conventions are just conventions to be tested/broken, and the goal is not to win but to stay in the game for as long as possible. Most games in the real world are infinite games. "Winning by merit" is a finite game not an infinite one.
RobotToaster 3y ago
Other way around, until last month China officially banned most of the loongson chips from being exported. The ban was reportedly lifted due to interest from Russian companies in using the chips. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/loongon-cpus-bound-for-russia-after-china-lifts-export-ban https://www.tomshardware.com/news/loongon-cpus-bound-for-rus...
- LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago
  Fitting, because https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baikal_CPU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baikal_CPU didn't really happen.

poizan42 3y ago

I was under the impression that the sanctions worked the other way around, i.e. Loongson can't buy a lot of things from American companies. > Entities on the Entity List are prohibited from purchasing or licensing American technologies, even indirectly. For example, Loongson can't have its CPUs manufactured by American equipment, ruling out most foundries with modern nodes. According to https://www.techspot.com/news/97817-us-blacklists-china-loongson-cpus-reach-maturity.html https://www.techspot.com/news/97817-us-blacklists-china-loon...

cingraa 3y ago

The sanctions are here to stay. The USA wants to make China capitulate. There is an economic war against China. When you cannot win by merit, you invent excuses to slap sanctions.

RobotToaster 3y ago
The sanctions also seem to have done a great job accelerating Chinese mainland semiconductor technology. Before the sanctions most mainland companies were happy having their chips fabbed by TSMC
andsoitis 3y ago
> The sanctions are here to stay. The USA wants to make China capitulate. There is an economic war against China. When you cannot win by merit, you invent excuses to slap sanctions. There are two types of games: finite games and infinite games. Finite games have fixed rules, a winner and loser, etc. Infinite games don't have fixed rules, conventions are just conventions to be tested/broken, and the goal is not to win but to stay in the game for as long as possible. Most games in the real world are infinite games. "Winning by merit" is a finite game not an infinite one.

RobotToaster 3y ago

Other way around, until last month China officially banned most of the loongson chips from being exported. The ban was reportedly lifted due to interest from Russian companies in using the chips. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/loongon-cpus-bound-for-russia-after-china-lifts-export-ban https://www.tomshardware.com/news/loongon-cpus-bound-for-rus...

LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago
Fitting, because https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baikal_CPU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baikal_CPU didn't really happen.