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We welcome any and all creative attempts to convince the public to use evs, which are massively piling up on dealer lots.

barryrandall 3y ago
I checked the market a month ago, and didn't find anything acceptable. The dealbreakers were: insufficient headroom, insufficient range for winter road trips in the US midwest (heat on, 2-3 hour trip duration, de minimis charging infrastructure), built-in internet connections, mandatory subscriptions, and no CarPlay.
- mensetmanusman 3y ago
  Exactly, when you are starting with a fuel about 100x less energy dense than gasoline and 10x more expensive due to current economies of scale, you have to be creative in flipping the system.
iancmceachern 3y ago
Then they should make the equivalent of a corolla or a camry. The Volt, prius, etc. are what's needed, not model X and cybertrucks. Model X is worse for the environment than a small gas economic bevausr it uses so much damn electricity
- Kirby64 3y ago
  Nobody is cross shopping a Model X and a small economy car. You need to compare 'worse for the environment' of a Model X vs. a medium-big SUV.
  - iancmceachern 3y ago
    I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if one's goal was to save the environment they would focus on making those small cars, and as many of them as possible. Not Model Xs, not cyber trucks, not roadsters, etc
    - Kirby64 3y ago
      Improving efficiency of the least efficient cars is actually better at making a meaningful difference. Replacing a 20mpg average car with an EV that gets 80mpge makes a proportionally bigger difference than replacing a 35mpg car with one that gets 115mpge. The least efficient vehicles have the biggest impact on the environment.
      - iancmceachern 3y ago
        But I'm aggregate that gets lost in the noise due to the relative volumes. Small 2 cycle engines like mopeds are the biggest contributor. Then small cars, these luxury cars are a small percent of global emissions. Also, those people don't have to drive big luxury cars, they can buy these smaller cars.
        Kirby64 3y ago
        There's room in the market for both of these types of vehicles. Asking people who typically buy big luxury cars to 'just buy a smaller car' would be nice in theory, but isn't going to happen in practice. There are many reasons, valid or potentially invalid, to own a larger car or a truck, and often you're not going to change people's minds on that.
        iancmceachern 3y ago
        I agree. I'm saying that the folks buying the former should not be doing so under the pretense that it's better for the environment, or society.
        Kirby64 3y ago
        But, no, that's not right. If someone is typically a buyer of a ... Range Rover, or a BMW X5, or something like that, then replacing that car with an EV of equivalent size makes a proportionally larger impact on the environment than someone who replaces their Corolla with a small EV.
kylehotchkiss 3y ago
A better recipe than this truck: * Honda Civic sized * Honda civic priced * 400 mile range * only one small CarPlay display in middle * no 4g chip for the car whatsoever * free roadside charging assistance for 10 years
- mensetmanusman 3y ago
  If it’s better, it will be built?

barryrandall 3y ago

I checked the market a month ago, and didn't find anything acceptable. The dealbreakers were: insufficient headroom, insufficient range for winter road trips in the US midwest (heat on, 2-3 hour trip duration, de minimis charging infrastructure), built-in internet connections, mandatory subscriptions, and no CarPlay.

mensetmanusman 3y ago
Exactly, when you are starting with a fuel about 100x less energy dense than gasoline and 10x more expensive due to current economies of scale, you have to be creative in flipping the system.

iancmceachern 3y ago

Then they should make the equivalent of a corolla or a camry. The Volt, prius, etc. are what's needed, not model X and cybertrucks. Model X is worse for the environment than a small gas economic bevausr it uses so much damn electricity

Kirby64 3y ago
Nobody is cross shopping a Model X and a small economy car. You need to compare 'worse for the environment' of a Model X vs. a medium-big SUV.
- iancmceachern 3y ago
  I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if one's goal was to save the environment they would focus on making those small cars, and as many of them as possible. Not Model Xs, not cyber trucks, not roadsters, etc
  - Kirby64 3y ago
    Improving efficiency of the least efficient cars is actually better at making a meaningful difference. Replacing a 20mpg average car with an EV that gets 80mpge makes a proportionally bigger difference than replacing a 35mpg car with one that gets 115mpge. The least efficient vehicles have the biggest impact on the environment.
    - iancmceachern 3y ago
      But I'm aggregate that gets lost in the noise due to the relative volumes. Small 2 cycle engines like mopeds are the biggest contributor. Then small cars, these luxury cars are a small percent of global emissions. Also, those people don't have to drive big luxury cars, they can buy these smaller cars.
      - Kirby64 3y ago
        There's room in the market for both of these types of vehicles. Asking people who typically buy big luxury cars to 'just buy a smaller car' would be nice in theory, but isn't going to happen in practice. There are many reasons, valid or potentially invalid, to own a larger car or a truck, and often you're not going to change people's minds on that.
        iancmceachern 3y ago
        I agree. I'm saying that the folks buying the former should not be doing so under the pretense that it's better for the environment, or society.
        Kirby64 3y ago
        But, no, that's not right. If someone is typically a buyer of a ... Range Rover, or a BMW X5, or something like that, then replacing that car with an EV of equivalent size makes a proportionally larger impact on the environment than someone who replaces their Corolla with a small EV.

kylehotchkiss 3y ago

A better recipe than this truck: * Honda Civic sized * Honda civic priced * 400 mile range * only one small CarPlay display in middle * no 4g chip for the car whatsoever * free roadside charging assistance for 10 years

mensetmanusman 3y ago
If it’s better, it will be built?