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> As someone who usually buys ~10 year old cars and drives them into the ground I'm much more interested in long term reliability. That's a much simpler list:

> As someone who usually buys ~10 year old cars and drives them into the ground I'm much more interested in long term reliability. That's a much simpler list: 1: Toyota Corolla 2 to end: you're not really serious about running it into the ground. :)

BenjiWiebe 3y ago
When I worked in a tire shop, the highest mileage vehicle I saw was a 500k mile Corolla, driven by the original owners. It was a mid 90s model IIRC. This was in 2018 or so.
- jancsika 3y ago
  Ha! I just posted this above: > With the Corolla you just might just have to decide when you've had enough of driving the damned thing. I've got a 95 Honda Civic with a bit over 200k. And the prospect of having to finally change out the belts is making me decide it's probably time to call it quits. But honestly, I don't think I'd go for Corolla because it has too much longevity at this point. It'd be like buying a gas-powered parrot.
  - VectorLock 3y ago
    Timing belt change isn't _that_ bad on 90s Hondas, and pretty affordable to pay someone to do.
- rascul 3y ago
  I have over 600k on my '99 Silverado.
- bozhark 3y ago
  Seen a Jetta roll over the 999,999
riku_iki 3y ago
I thought hybrid powertrains are simpler and more reliable in long run, so prius should be #1.
- connicpu 3y ago
  Definitely not, at least in systems where both the engine and motor-generator mechanically connect. You only reduce complexity when it's basically just an EV where the ICE can recharge the battery, such as the Chevy Volt or Mazda's new rotary engine vehicle.
  - starkparker 3y ago
    Oddly enough, then: > There are interesting insights with the reliability of electrified models this year. Overall, hybrids have 26 percent fewer problems than cars powered by internal combustion engines (ICE). Some standouts include the Lexus UX and NX Hybrid and the Toyota Camry Hybrid, Highlander Hybrid, and RAV4 Hybrid. > Plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) are more of a mixed bag. As a category, they have 146 percent more problems than ICE vehicles. Several PHEVs are even less reliable than their conventional counterparts, such as the below-average Audi Q5 and Chrysler Pacifica. The latter has the lowest score in our survey, at 14. > Electric cars and electric SUVs don’t fare much better, with average reliability scores of 44 and 43, respectively. At the bottom of our vehicle-type rankings are electric pickup trucks, with an average score of 30.
    - morepork 3y ago
      I think the data is a bit skewed as Lexus/Toyota are the most reliable, and make many hybrid models. The question should be, for a particular make, are hybrids more reliable than ICEs?
- jancsika 3y ago
  From what I've heard the hybrid powertrains are way more complex and prone to extra problems on top of ICE problems. But it's a testament to Toyota's engineering that the Prius makes it seem that this isn't the case. In any case, on the much higher bar of running a car into the ground I think the Prius would get priced out on repairs for the last 20% of the run time. You've got both the regular battery and the hybrid battery, the regenerative braking system, and probably a lot more little dingles and dangles that would cause arguments with a spouse if you dug your heels in and kept paying for them just to run the car all the way to the finish line. With the Corolla you just might just have to decide when you've had enough of driving the damned thing.
esperent 3y ago
My mother is still driving a 1999 Corolla hatchback. She bought it around 2005, has driven it every day since. When her friend passed away, she inherited his 1998 version of the same and has been using it for spares. Now she's considering selling both, they are classics now so they are actually increasing in value. I'm a bit sad, as I live on the other side of the world and I feel like in my trips home that car is one of the constants in my life. I half expected to inherit it and pass it on to my own children someday.
- jeremyjh 3y ago
  So buy it from her.
  - esperent 3y ago
    So far in my life I've never felt the desire to own a car. Also, I live on the other side of the world from her.
laurencerowe 3y ago
> 2 to end: you're not really serious about running it into the ground. :) It’s more that the ground is much closer for other makes! I think Toyotas may make more sense as new buys though since they hold their value so well.
- emodendroket 3y ago
  In the current market buying a late-model, used economy car makes zero sense. The savings are still pretty juicy for luxury models though.
  - tacocataco 3y ago
    You can get some deals if you buy used cars with some problems to to fix. I see a bunch of cars on facebook marketplace (i miss old school Craigslist) that are about 1k that need repairs of various sorts. Now is a really good time as winter is here and people need their driveway space back. Cash for clunkers and covid, what a one two punch for the used car market. Might be a decade before things stabilize.
tim333 3y ago
My 1990 Corolla rusted rather. I think the newer ones may have better rust proofing.

BenjiWiebe 3y ago

When I worked in a tire shop, the highest mileage vehicle I saw was a 500k mile Corolla, driven by the original owners. It was a mid 90s model IIRC. This was in 2018 or so.

jancsika 3y ago
Ha! I just posted this above: > With the Corolla you just might just have to decide when you've had enough of driving the damned thing. I've got a 95 Honda Civic with a bit over 200k. And the prospect of having to finally change out the belts is making me decide it's probably time to call it quits. But honestly, I don't think I'd go for Corolla because it has too much longevity at this point. It'd be like buying a gas-powered parrot.
- VectorLock 3y ago
  Timing belt change isn't _that_ bad on 90s Hondas, and pretty affordable to pay someone to do.
rascul 3y ago
I have over 600k on my '99 Silverado.
bozhark 3y ago
Seen a Jetta roll over the 999,999

riku_iki 3y ago

I thought hybrid powertrains are simpler and more reliable in long run, so prius should be #1.

connicpu 3y ago
Definitely not, at least in systems where both the engine and motor-generator mechanically connect. You only reduce complexity when it's basically just an EV where the ICE can recharge the battery, such as the Chevy Volt or Mazda's new rotary engine vehicle.
- starkparker 3y ago
  Oddly enough, then: > There are interesting insights with the reliability of electrified models this year. Overall, hybrids have 26 percent fewer problems than cars powered by internal combustion engines (ICE). Some standouts include the Lexus UX and NX Hybrid and the Toyota Camry Hybrid, Highlander Hybrid, and RAV4 Hybrid. > Plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) are more of a mixed bag. As a category, they have 146 percent more problems than ICE vehicles. Several PHEVs are even less reliable than their conventional counterparts, such as the below-average Audi Q5 and Chrysler Pacifica. The latter has the lowest score in our survey, at 14. > Electric cars and electric SUVs don’t fare much better, with average reliability scores of 44 and 43, respectively. At the bottom of our vehicle-type rankings are electric pickup trucks, with an average score of 30.
  - morepork 3y ago
    I think the data is a bit skewed as Lexus/Toyota are the most reliable, and make many hybrid models. The question should be, for a particular make, are hybrids more reliable than ICEs?
jancsika 3y ago
From what I've heard the hybrid powertrains are way more complex and prone to extra problems on top of ICE problems. But it's a testament to Toyota's engineering that the Prius makes it seem that this isn't the case. In any case, on the much higher bar of running a car into the ground I think the Prius would get priced out on repairs for the last 20% of the run time. You've got both the regular battery and the hybrid battery, the regenerative braking system, and probably a lot more little dingles and dangles that would cause arguments with a spouse if you dug your heels in and kept paying for them just to run the car all the way to the finish line. With the Corolla you just might just have to decide when you've had enough of driving the damned thing.

esperent 3y ago

My mother is still driving a 1999 Corolla hatchback. She bought it around 2005, has driven it every day since. When her friend passed away, she inherited his 1998 version of the same and has been using it for spares. Now she's considering selling both, they are classics now so they are actually increasing in value. I'm a bit sad, as I live on the other side of the world and I feel like in my trips home that car is one of the constants in my life. I half expected to inherit it and pass it on to my own children someday.

jeremyjh 3y ago
So buy it from her.
- esperent 3y ago
  So far in my life I've never felt the desire to own a car. Also, I live on the other side of the world from her.

laurencerowe 3y ago

> 2 to end: you're not really serious about running it into the ground. :) It’s more that the ground is much closer for other makes! I think Toyotas may make more sense as new buys though since they hold their value so well.

emodendroket 3y ago
In the current market buying a late-model, used economy car makes zero sense. The savings are still pretty juicy for luxury models though.
- tacocataco 3y ago
  You can get some deals if you buy used cars with some problems to to fix. I see a bunch of cars on facebook marketplace (i miss old school Craigslist) that are about 1k that need repairs of various sorts. Now is a really good time as winter is here and people need their driveway space back. Cash for clunkers and covid, what a one two punch for the used car market. Might be a decade before things stabilize.

tim333 3y ago

My 1990 Corolla rusted rather. I think the newer ones may have better rust proofing.