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They really should. It's a good way not to die. Just like many of the motorcyclists that die should have worn helmets, not gone above the speed limit, and not d
by talldatethrow 3y ago
They really should. It's a good way not to die. Just like many of the motorcyclists that die should have worn helmets, not gone above the speed limit, and not drank alcohol.
Those 3 things account for something like 60% of motorcycle deaths.
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The point is, people contribute heavily to their deaths on motorcycles. And I assume on foot too. Wearing ear phones? Chance of death through the roof. Talking on the phone? Way more dangerous. Out at night walking after a drink or two? Better watch out. Don't look both ways, twice? You're in trouble.
- SantalBlush 3y agoThis factoid about motorcycles is a complete non sequitur. It's as if someone forgot what they were talking about in the middle of making their point.
- talldatethrow 3y agoThe point is, people contribute heavily to their deaths on motorcycles. And I assume on foot too. Wearing ear phones? Chance of death through the roof. Talking on the phone? Way more dangerous. Out at night walking after a drink or two? Better watch out. Don't look both ways, twice? You're in trouble.
- slowhadoken 3y agoYeah the driver is usually doing something stupid like texting too. Which reminds me of the Werner Herzog documentary From One Second to the Next (2013) @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk1vCqfYpos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk1vCqfYpos
- talldatethrow 3y agoForget the driver, you can't control for that when you're walking. So you're left with acting better as a pedestrian.
- SantalBlush 3y agoAbsolutely nobody thinks it's about controlling the driver when you're walking. You're debating a point that no one made.
- talldatethrow 3y agoThe guy I responded to did basically that, trying to assign blame to drivers. Why would I care what some drivers do when I'm crossing the street? I assume all drivers are bad and act accordingly. The people that don't do that, are more likely to get hit. That's what I meant.
- SantalBlush 3y agoIt's not a dichotomy. Both parties are responsible for traveling safely. The argument you're trying to put forth is disingenuous, because controlling drivers as a pedestrian is obviously a ridiculous idea; that's why we have laws. It's arguing in bad faith to pretend there is nothing to be done about unsafe drivers or vehicles, or to pretend that only pedestrians are responsible for their own safety.
- talldatethrow 3y agoI would say that yes, at any given moment in time, the pedestrian is responsible for themselves if they want to stay safe. It's too late for any laws at that moment. You either notice the car isn't slowing down and avoid stepping out, or you do step out and hope for the best. Not a good way to stay alive.
- SantalBlush 3y agoNo, all parties are responsible for traveling safely. If a vehicle wants to kill a pedestrian or bicyclist who is being careful, they can. It's very easy to do. And it's not too late to discuss laws, because I'm not a pedestrian right now. Again, it's a bad faith argument to pretend we don't have time to discuss laws when we're not walking in traffic.
- slowhadoken 3y agonon sequitur? It's vehicle. He didn't break into song and dance about making sandwiches. By the way I just ate a sandwich.
- OfficialTurkey 3y agoThis is factually correct (I ride a motorcycle and did a deep dive into the death statistics before getting my license) but your conclusion is tenuous at best. Motorcyclists consciously take the elevated risk of engaging in a known-unsafe activity and absolutely should take reasonable precautions to keep themselves safe. Even so, it's still a tragedy when someone dies on a motorcycle. Pedestrians, on the other hand, want to walk around their neighborhoods and cities without being killed. I don't quite know the right words to respond to, "just look at the death statistics and avoid being near cars as a pedestrian," but they're not kind.
- panick21_ 3y agoAnd if a woman gets raped and then beaten to death its her fault because she was wearing sexy cloths.
- talldatethrow 3y agoAnd if someone leaves a laptop on the passenger seat of an open convertible parked downtown, it's their fault when it gets stolen.