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Note that these stats only account for reliability in the first three years: > Then the brand reliability score was calculated by averaging results from 2021 t
by laurencerowe 3y ago
Note that these stats only account for reliability in the first three years:
> Then the brand reliability score was calculated by averaging results from 2021 to 2023.
As someone who usually buys ~10 year old cars and drives them into the ground I'm much more interested in long term reliability. It may correlate but these stats are not that!
- brewtide 3y ago100% share the method. If you are patient, somewhat knowledgeable, and frankly lucky you can pick up some nice things for real cheap at that point. Sometimes they can turn into money puts, but oftentimes with some preventative maintenance, things just keep going smooth.
- laurencerowe 3y agoI'm finding that the limiting factor is the catalytic converter. They just seem to wear out around ~200k miles. Replacement is about $4000 and California has a scheme offers $1000 to scrap it so at that point it is usually more economical to replace it with another ~10 year old car.
- rascul 3y agoJust checked and for my 24 year old truck in Mississippi I can get a new one for under $200 and it takes maybe 30 minutes to change. $4000 seems quite crazy to me.
- paxys 3y ago> Who Makes the Most Reliable New Cars? > CR ranks the brands and reveals how their new models are likely to hold up Literally the title and subtitle of the article, as well as the HN submission.
- andrewxdiamond 3y agoThe parent commenter is calling out a bias inherit to the study.
- paxys 3y agoWhat is the bias?
- thephyber 3y agoThe first 3 years of a new car are almost always covered under manufacturer warranty, hence manufacturers have a strong financial incentive to minimize issues in that time interval. A less biased review would also include years 3-7 at least, but perhaps up to 10.
- paxys 3y agoThat's not what bias means. If I'm in the market for a new car I want to know how the 2022 model is expected to perform. Whether the car was reliable 10-15 years ago isn't all that relevant to me considering how quickly lines are refreshed.
- davidmurdoch 3y agoBut the company's culture around quality likely hasn't changed much, so long-term reliability is a useful secondary metric for those who want to keep their new car for a long time.
- smeej 3y agoI see absolutely no reason to assume company culture is unlikely to change much over 10-15 years.
- davidmurdoch 3y ago0 reason?
- laurencerowe 3y agoI thought it was worth pointing out since so many of the comments were from people with older cars that were still running well!
- nonameiguess 3y agoIt's chronologically impossible to rank the best long-term reliability of new cars. At best, you can rank who made the most reliable new cars 10 years ago, which isn't helping anyone trying to buy new cars now. As someone who usually buys 10 year old cars, an article about the reliability of new cars is clearly not aimed at you.
- randerson 3y agoIt would have to be from the small list of cars you can still buy new that haven't changed much in the last decade. The Chrysler 300 and Dodge Challenger come to mind.
- jancsika 3y ago> As someone who usually buys ~10 year old cars and drives them into the ground I'm much more interested in long term reliability. That's a much simpler list: 1: Toyota Corolla 2 to end: you're not really serious about running it into the ground. :)
- BenjiWiebe 3y agoWhen I worked in a tire shop, the highest mileage vehicle I saw was a 500k mile Corolla, driven by the original owners. It was a mid 90s model IIRC. This was in 2018 or so.
- jancsika 3y agoHa! I just posted this above: > With the Corolla you just might just have to decide when you've had enough of driving the damned thing. I've got a 95 Honda Civic with a bit over 200k. And the prospect of having to finally change out the belts is making me decide it's probably time to call it quits. But honestly, I don't think I'd go for Corolla because it has too much longevity at this point. It'd be like buying a gas-powered parrot.
- VectorLock 3y agoTiming belt change isn't _that_ bad on 90s Hondas, and pretty affordable to pay someone to do.
- rascul 3y agoI have over 600k on my '99 Silverado.
- bozhark 3y agoSeen a Jetta roll over the 999,999
- riku_iki 3y agoI thought hybrid powertrains are simpler and more reliable in long run, so prius should be #1.
- balderdash 3y agoTotally agree, I want to know what or of warranty cost of ownership is. Especially since most auto manufacturers only design for say ~10 year reliability. Sure we could make a a part that would last forever, but it’d be heavy (bad for fuel economy) and expensive, so let’s make the lightest and cheapest part that will last about x years (we still want all that spare part revenue too!)
- tacocataco 3y agoThat's fine making it light, but you have to engineer the car so you can get at it reasonably. There is zero reason to put a battery in a wheel well for instance. What did it make the car $1 cheaper to make? Forget the battery till the end of the design?
- marricks 3y agoThe article title is "most reliable new cars," so it's fair advertising of what it is. Most reliable old cars would certainly be a good read though.
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- beAbU 3y agoI agree. 3 year reliability is not 10 year reliability. After 3 years the car should be "broken in" and should then be good to go for another decade. Something that is deemed unreliable after 3 years is total and utter shit. I think it's easier to get the answer you are looking for yourself: Just look outside and tally the number of old cars you see, and which models they are. That's your answer. If you are considering buying an older car, but you rarely see it on the road, you have your answer as to whether it'll be a reliable car or not.
- Stagnant 3y agoThe Finnish transport and communications agency publishes yearly statistics about inspected cars and their three most common reasons for failing inspection as well as the percentage of failed inspections by car year and model.[1] The graphs on the site itself aren't that interesting but the provided excel sheets have some neat insight especially on the slightly older cars. In Finland it is required by law for all cars older than 4 years to be inspected yearly or every two years (depending on the age of the car) so the statistics include quite large selection of different car models. [1]: https://tieto.traficom.fi/en/statistics/statistics-inspections https://tieto.traficom.fi/en/statistics/statistics-inspectio...
- d99kris 3y agoThis is a very interesting data source. So let's say for "Model-specific statistics on faults detected in passenger cars during inspection in 2022 by year of entry into service (in Finnish)", I should be looking at column "Hylkäys-%" sorted in ascending order to find the models with least failed inspections? (I don't know Finnish, used Google Translate)
- Stagnant 3y agoHigher Hylkäys-% = more failed inspections. It translates to "disqualification-%". So for example in the 2022 data the worst car was 2009 Dodge Caliber with only about a third out of 171 cars passing the inspection.