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>On the plus side, if you're using the docker image, upgrades are a breeze. I've had problems that required fiddly manual interventions twice after updating to

by brazzy 3y ago

>On the plus side, if you're using the docker image, upgrades are a breeze. I've had problems that required fiddly manual interventions twice after updating to a new major version. And what keeps me from using it for anything other than File synching is the lack of a functioning integrated backup mechanism. There is a plugin, but it's unusable shite (tries to keep the entire data in memory, big has been open for years), and I really don't want to depend on a self-made combination of Filesystem and DB backup.

jerf 3y ago
One of the things I like about the docker image is just that it absolutely rigidly guarantees that all the state is located only in exactly the directories I specify, and I can be sure of that by construction. So my Nextcloud backup solution is a cron job that shuts the entire container down and runs a restic job on it, then brings it back up when the backup is complete. I'm not completely sure that's quite "self-made"; restic is standard enough. The only special sauce is just that I don't even bother with how to handle files that are open, especially with the database. I just shut it all down. The nice thing is this works with all my docker stuff; the cron job just iterates them one at a time, shutting them down and doing the same standard backup on them all, then bringing them up. I don't need or want a Nextcloud-specific backup mechanism.
- brazzy 3y ago
  Hm so I guess your setup uses the default SQLite database? I switched to MariaDB because I kept having Nextcloud freeze after a few weeks.
  - jerf 3y ago
    No. Docker compose, if you want to get technical not just "docker", with MariaDB. When the cron job runs docker-compose down it backs all the subdirs up, including the full DB directory. (Probably not a cheap plan for a heavy-use site, but for my family it's a normal thing for day-to-day to have no changes.) Interesting that you comment about SQLite being a problem. I am not a heavy user of Nextcloud, but I haven't had the operational problems many people report here; I wonder if that's correlated to using SQLite.
    - brazzy 3y ago
      That's an interesting idea - I guess when it's all shut down, simply copying everything can't really fail or break anything. Since I'm using the same setup (docker compose for nextcloud, MariaDB, and some other stuff), maybe I should really look into that option, thank you!

by brazzy 3y ago

jerf 3y ago

One of the things I like about the docker image is just that it absolutely rigidly guarantees that all the state is located only in exactly the directories I specify, and I can be sure of that by construction. So my Nextcloud backup solution is a cron job that shuts the entire container down and runs a restic job on it, then brings it back up when the backup is complete. I'm not completely sure that's quite "self-made"; restic is standard enough. The only special sauce is just that I don't even bother with how to handle files that are open, especially with the database. I just shut it all down. The nice thing is this works with all my docker stuff; the cron job just iterates them one at a time, shutting them down and doing the same standard backup on them all, then bringing them up. I don't need or want a Nextcloud-specific backup mechanism.

brazzy 3y ago
Hm so I guess your setup uses the default SQLite database? I switched to MariaDB because I kept having Nextcloud freeze after a few weeks.
- jerf 3y ago
  No. Docker compose, if you want to get technical not just "docker", with MariaDB. When the cron job runs docker-compose down it backs all the subdirs up, including the full DB directory. (Probably not a cheap plan for a heavy-use site, but for my family it's a normal thing for day-to-day to have no changes.) Interesting that you comment about SQLite being a problem. I am not a heavy user of Nextcloud, but I haven't had the operational problems many people report here; I wonder if that's correlated to using SQLite.
  - brazzy 3y ago
    That's an interesting idea - I guess when it's all shut down, simply copying everything can't really fail or break anything. Since I'm using the same setup (docker compose for nextcloud, MariaDB, and some other stuff), maybe I should really look into that option, thank you!