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Sure looks dangerous for pedestrians
by fermentation 3y ago
Sure looks dangerous for pedestrians
- thedaly 3y agoNo more or less than any other vehicle of similar weight.
- discordance 3y agoThe thing weighs 8000 to 10000 lb (3629 to 4536 kg). That’s shockingly heavy to move around 200lbs meat sacks.
- mike_d 3y agoMost EVs weigh about that much, to the point that some cities are considering amending "No trucks" signs to also say no EVs.
- majormajor 3y agoDo they? Model X weighs 5600lbs, here - https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-x https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-x - and that's bigger than any of the other, more popular, Teslas other than the Cybertruck. Far cry from 8-10000. Or even 7-8000.
- lolbase 3y agoTesla 3 - up to 4065. Tesla S - up to 4941. Tesla X - up to 5531. Tesla Y - up to 4416. Chevy Bolt - 3563. Leaf - up to 3853. Mach-E - up to 4920. ID.4 - up to 4848. E-Tron - up to 5754. BMW iX - up to 5659. Taycan - up to 5121 Kona EV - up to 3715.
- mike_d 3y agoI like how you just excluded all the comparable EVs. Here they are for completeness, most coming close to or topping out the standard 7k where they will post "No Trucks" signs. Ford Lightning - 6,893 Hummer EV - 9,063 Rivian R1T - 7,148 Lordstown Endurance - 6,450 Chevrolet Silverado EV - 8,532 RAM 1500 REV - est. 7,500 Alpha Wolf - 7,088
- lolbase 3y agoYour claim was about “Most EVs”. I listed the most popular EVs, without edits.
- PawgerZ 3y ago"No truck" signs are for semi trucks, not pickup trucks. These semis (just the truck, no trailer) weigh 2-3x more than an average pickup truck/Cybertruck and 3-5x more than an average EV.
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- Kirby64 3y agoCitation needed. It’s expected to be around 7k lbs, over 8k would put it in the hummer EV territory.
- EwanToo 3y agoTwice the weight of the Tesla model 3 which is 1800kg, it's pretty extreme. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_3
- thedaly 3y agoIt does not weigh 8000 to 10000 pounds. It is listed between 6500 and 7000.
- slowhadoken 3y agoA 2024 Ford F-150 weights more.
- LeafItAlone 3y agoDo you have a source for that? A quick Google tells me that a 2024 Ford F-150 weight is about 1,000 lbs less than a Cybertruck’s purported weight.
- dzlobin 3y ago> vehicle of similar weight All...one of them: https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/money/cars/2019/10/14/heaviest-cars-in-us-ford-gmc/40298365/ https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/money/cars/2019/10/...
- thedaly 3y agoYour link lists 6 trucks that are heavier than the 6,670 Ibs two motor version of the cybertruck.
- sangnoir 3y agoThis is not true - there are other factors at play. The angle of the bumper and where the bumper comes into contact with a human matters a lot - if it is below the human's center of mass, they are much less likely to be thrown under the vehicle and run over.
- adrianmonk 3y agoWeight is not the main factor. Height/shape is much more important. From https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2018/06/28/suvs-killing-americas-pedestrians/646139002/ https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2018/06/28/suvs-killi... : > Hampton Clay Gabler, a professor in the department of biomedical engineering and mechanics at Virginia Tech, [ ... ] described the vulnerability of pedestrians when struck by an SUV as a geometry problem of sorts because SUVs and pickups tend to be tall compared with pedestrians and have a blunter front end. That positioning is more likely to put someone’s head or chest in line to be struck during the initial impact with a vehicle. “(Not to diminish leg injuries but) serious head and chest injuries can actually kill you,” Gabler said in a telephone interview. (It is probably true, though, that most vehicles this heavy are tall as well, so weight would still be correlated to how dangerous a vehicle is.)
- panick21_ 3y agoYes. But it seems actually less dangerous then other pickups. Other pickups seem to think that having as high as possible as big as possible vehicle front is a great thing. Going OVER the car is what saves live. If you get hit by a F-150 it more like getting hit by a wall. The Cybertruck also seems to have better visibility. So this seems to me to be a case of 'In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king'. In general US obsessions with pickups is stupid and I hope in my country all of them are commercial license only, not allowed on common parking spaces, ban in certain section of cities, plus very high licensing cost.
- jeltz 3y agoAnd other cars due to the weight.
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- notatoad 3y agoyeah! the approximately 8000 pedestrians killed by cars each year in the US should just be better at dodging them, like this guy is.
- talldatethrow 3y agoThey really should. It's a good way not to die. Just like many of the motorcyclists that die should have worn helmets, not gone above the speed limit, and not drank alcohol. Those 3 things account for something like 60% of motorcycle deaths. Edit: The point is, people contribute heavily to their deaths on motorcycles. And I assume on foot too. Wearing ear phones? Chance of death through the roof. Talking on the phone? Way more dangerous. Out at night walking after a drink or two? Better watch out. Don't look both ways, twice? You're in trouble.
- SantalBlush 3y agoThis factoid about motorcycles is a complete non sequitur. It's as if someone forgot what they were talking about in the middle of making their point.
- talldatethrow 3y agoThe point is, people contribute heavily to their deaths on motorcycles. And I assume on foot too. Wearing ear phones? Chance of death through the roof. Talking on the phone? Way more dangerous. Out at night walking after a drink or two? Better watch out. Don't look both ways, twice? You're in trouble.
- slowhadoken 3y agoYeah the driver is usually doing something stupid like texting too. Which reminds me of the Werner Herzog documentary From One Second to the Next (2013) @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk1vCqfYpos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk1vCqfYpos
- 1970-01-01 3y agoSafe public roads haven't existed since 1900.
- I_Am_Nous 3y agoBefore cars it was highway robbers. Being in between places is always a higher risk location and roads are the guaranteed routes someone will go down. Cars make it safer for the people in them, the same way a stagecoach protected people up to a point.
- OfficialTurkey 3y ago"Cars make traveling safer than before, so we shouldn't care about improving automotive safety" is such a weird take.
- I_Am_Nous 3y agoI'm more trying to point out that traveling safety is always viewed as being about the traveller, not the people around them. So of course drivers love safer (for them) cars, while caring less that such safety comes at the expense of pedestrians.
- TaylorAlexander 3y agoI am less concerned with how today's car's relate to roads from 100 years ago and more interested in how today's cars relate to other options we have today, like bicycles and public transit.
- jwestbury 3y ago> Before cars it was highway robbers. This is a bad comparison. One occurs when travelling in unpopulated areas. But most pedestrian fatalities occur in populated areas which should be safe for pedestrians (and historically were).
- acdha 3y agoYou’re off by about 20 years - it was the 1920s when car manufacturers were able to get legislation restricting public streets to their customers[1] - but also this ignores the magnitude: yes, cars have always been a public health hazard but the manufacturers reversed a multi-decade safety improvement trend a decade or two back because it boosted their profits, and that happened only in the United States. If our roads were as safe as Germany’s, while still not absolutely safe there would be an annual death toll reduction in the tens of thousands and 1-2 orders of magnitude more for series injuries. That’s huge even if it’s not perfect. 1. https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history
- 404mm 3y agoLooks dangerous for other cars on the road in Texas.
- ThrowawayTestr 3y agoFrom what I've seen, it looks pretty low to the ground, which would make it safer than a lifted truck.
- zht 3y agothis feels like a very low bar
- vinniepukh 3y agoIt’s an appropriate comparison in this case
- habitue 3y agoPersonally, I think the "electric SUVs are bad for pedestrians" is just there to replace "SUVs are bad for the environment". Basically, this isn't a real argument, just a vibes thing, where big trucks are conservative coded and smaller cars are liberal-coded. In the grand scheme of things the difference in MPG of an SUV vs. a sedan is minimal when it comes to climate change, and the difference in pedestrian danger from large car vs. small car is minimal. That is: all kinds of cars are dangerous to pedestrians! All kinds of ICE vehicles are bad for the environment! People are splitting hairs trying to turn vehicle body type into a shibboleth for good vs. bad person.
- TaylorAlexander 3y ago> I think the "electric SUVs are bad for pedestrians" is just there to replace "SUVs are bad for the environment". Basically, this isn't a real argument, just a vibes thing Actually both of those statements can be true. Trucks have gotten larger and more dangerous for pedestrians and so it has become more common for people to point out vehicle size as a concern in addition to environmental issues. > the difference in pedestrian danger from large car vs. small car is minimal. I am not an expert here but from what I have heard, this is false.
- piva00 3y ago> Personally, I think the "electric SUVs are bad for pedestrians" is just there to replace "SUVs are bad for the environment". Basically, this isn't a real argument, just a vibes thing, where big trucks are conservative coded and smaller cars are liberal-coded. It's not a vibes thing, SUVs are more dangerous to everyone on the road, doesn't matter if it's electric or petrol, they are heavier, causing more road wear, they are taller, killing pedestrians more easily; being heavier also means they carry much more energy at the same speed than a smaller car. > and the difference in pedestrian danger from large car vs. small car is minimal. Well, and this is a "vibes thing", all the data shows the opposite, you'll need some supporting data to make this statement. SUVs are only better for their owners, consuming more space, more road, and more lives than other types of smaller cars... Not everything is "wokeness" and "muh liberals", there's objectivity in the basics of motion physics, just run the numbers for weight and velocity. Check any study on pedestrian safety regarding cars with much higher ground clearing, it's pretty obvious what the data says.