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SMIC (which has been sued multiple times by TSMC for stealing their IP and trade secrets)

by scq 3y ago

huytersd 3y ago
Oh wow so this chip is completely vertically integrated and manufactured in China. That’s big.
- audunw 3y ago
  SMIC uses western manufacturing equipment. Though there’s efforts on that front too.
  - pantalaimon 3y ago
    SMEE currently tries to get 28nm steppers on the market
2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
> Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation (SMIC) is a partially state-owned publicly listed Chinese pure-play semiconductor foundry company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_Manufacturing_International_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_Manufacturing_In... Zoinks!
- drtgh 3y ago
  Not strange. Chinese government control all the industries through party delegates that injects in the companies that become relevant, and plans strategically their movements as the state needs, so TSMC has little chance with the sues? Other different thing is that thankfully for us, most of those political delegates kills part of the initiative of those companies due corruption.
  - FooBarWidget 3y ago
    If they are so self-destructive then why are we so worried about Chinese technology to the point we need to throw around ever-stronger sanctions? Something is not right about this narrative. Sounds like a bunch of huge assumptions to me.
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    - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
      Nobody is afraid of tech competition. The US is acting on the assumption (intelligence?) that China will start a war of aggression in the near future. If war is a given then every bit of tech will translate into more dead. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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    - drtgh 3y ago
      It is not self-destruction, its more like it mostly induce a slow development and quality of in-house tech dependent products. Not always, just mostly, but you're right this is an assumption based by my mere external observations, I have never lived in that country. Also I'm underestimating that there are countless Chinese citizens studding overseas, and the government have nasty resources for to make them return back if their knowledge becomes relevant. The matter is the sanctions. As I see it, comes more from other facts, The first one is the Chinese government has been pursuing a coordinated long term dumping plan towards independent companies allocated in the rest of world. Independent companies are hopeless when a whole developed country that is able to manipulate freely the prices target them and run against them; the companies enters in economical problems and are acquired by the Chinese government for keeping the influence expansion. Chips manufacturers are between their top targets. By other way, such government want to invade Taiwan, one of the main focal points were the chips are manufactured for the rest of the world, and this would be done with armament guided through chips manufactured ironically by those same factories. What worries to many countries also, and affects the world in general, if Taiwan were invaded, the first consequence of losing the ability/independence in chips manufacturing through some years of prices dumping, is that -among other things- the armament would require of Chinese's government approval. Right now is being subsidized the creation of chip factories from Taiwanese companies across the world, whom -for not lose protection- are not exporting their top tech into those factories. They are also worried with telecommunications, because Chinese government is involved in companies commercializing products where they are able to introduce backdoors within the designs, and is promoting their use through prices dumping. More or less I understand it like this, but Im sure it does exist even more factors that keep affecting all of us.

SMIC (which has been sued multiple times by TSMC for stealing their IP and trade secrets)

by scq 3y ago

SMIC (which has been sued multiple times by TSMC for stealing their IP and trade secrets)

huytersd 3y ago

Oh wow so this chip is completely vertically integrated and manufactured in China. That’s big.

audunw 3y ago
SMIC uses western manufacturing equipment. Though there’s efforts on that front too.
- pantalaimon 3y ago
  SMEE currently tries to get 28nm steppers on the market

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago

> Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation (SMIC) is a partially state-owned publicly listed Chinese pure-play semiconductor foundry company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_Manufacturing_International_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_Manufacturing_In... Zoinks!

drtgh 3y ago
Not strange. Chinese government control all the industries through party delegates that injects in the companies that become relevant, and plans strategically their movements as the state needs, so TSMC has little chance with the sues? Other different thing is that thankfully for us, most of those political delegates kills part of the initiative of those companies due corruption.
- FooBarWidget 3y ago
  If they are so self-destructive then why are we so worried about Chinese technology to the point we need to throw around ever-stronger sanctions? Something is not right about this narrative. Sounds like a bunch of huge assumptions to me.
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  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
    Nobody is afraid of tech competition. The US is acting on the assumption (intelligence?) that China will start a war of aggression in the near future. If war is a given then every bit of tech will translate into more dead. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
    - FooBarWidget 3y ago
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  - drtgh 3y ago
    It is not self-destruction, its more like it mostly induce a slow development and quality of in-house tech dependent products. Not always, just mostly, but you're right this is an assumption based by my mere external observations, I have never lived in that country. Also I'm underestimating that there are countless Chinese citizens studding overseas, and the government have nasty resources for to make them return back if their knowledge becomes relevant. The matter is the sanctions. As I see it, comes more from other facts, The first one is the Chinese government has been pursuing a coordinated long term dumping plan towards independent companies allocated in the rest of world. Independent companies are hopeless when a whole developed country that is able to manipulate freely the prices target them and run against them; the companies enters in economical problems and are acquired by the Chinese government for keeping the influence expansion. Chips manufacturers are between their top targets. By other way, such government want to invade Taiwan, one of the main focal points were the chips are manufactured for the rest of the world, and this would be done with armament guided through chips manufactured ironically by those same factories. What worries to many countries also, and affects the world in general, if Taiwan were invaded, the first consequence of losing the ability/independence in chips manufacturing through some years of prices dumping, is that -among other things- the armament would require of Chinese's government approval. Right now is being subsidized the creation of chip factories from Taiwanese companies across the world, whom -for not lose protection- are not exporting their top tech into those factories. They are also worried with telecommunications, because Chinese government is involved in companies commercializing products where they are able to introduce backdoors within the designs, and is promoting their use through prices dumping. More or less I understand it like this, but Im sure it does exist even more factors that keep affecting all of us.