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Greetings from Ukraine, country at war. You may wonder, but computers extremely important in our life, I bet, you don't release how we depend on high tech now

by simne 3y ago

Greetings from Ukraine, country at war. You may wonder, but computers extremely important in our life, I bet, you don't release how we depend on high tech now (was not such before war). I will list how I remember, not by importance. 1. Electric grid is core of infrastructure, and it depend on computers. Even if in many cases could use decentralized power sources, but need it to feed bank networks for money payments; water supply, heating, also need electricity. And Russians actively use hacker attacks to turn off power in Ukraine. 2. Air defense. God bless America and developers of Patriot! After last spring we received this wonderful tech, we could feel much safer, just periodically hear "Citizens may hear explosion, as system automatically intercept ballistic missile. Alarm siren was not triggered". 3. For our people in trenches, information is literally life, because Russians have large number old, but dangerous tech, like artillery and air approx 1960s. And now also got cheap new tech from East - most annoying drones (UAV). So if one side got knowledge, where some opponent military unit, they immediately fire on it if possible. Even become usual thing, artillery duels, when artillery units on each side, try to destroy each other. And as they are long distance units, they don't see opponent, just know from intelligence, that on some coordinates appear opponent.

lebed2045 3y ago
that's truly incredible how much lives can be saved with good electronics and it-systems. I wish the war ends asap, before the autonomous ai-powered drones comes into play... because at that point this might become complete skynet-like hell.
- simne 3y ago
  Thank you! Unfortunately, I'm not optimistic about terms of war in Ukraine. Unfortunately, war in Ukraine looks not like war of one country against another country, but this war like Democracy and free market against Communism. And rumors said, military support for Russia from North Korea is larger, than support for Ukraine from US. Just now military power of Ukraine is near to equal to Russian, but this is not sufficient to return occupied Ukrainian territories in some overseen time. I'm not sure, if we could afford Korean variant of large part of country sacrificed to communists to end war, because Russia will not stop there, they want to occupy territories of other countries - Poland, Baltic states. So, we working hard, to make Ukrainian military more powerful with new technologies. All possible to save people lives. And yes, we use robotic units at real war, but their intelligence extremely limited, even GPT-3 is too resource demand to be useful, only image recognition technology now is practical at field.
  - lobocinza 3y ago
    > And rumors said, military support for Russia from North Korea is larger, than support for Ukraine from US. Certainly China is funding NK support. So they use NK to covertly provide military support to Russia while they front as the "good guys" that support "peace" and only provide economical support to Russia.
    - simne 3y ago
      Agree. NK is classic proxy country, not independent. To be more strict, their behavior is shown in good film. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_of_Spies_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_of_Spies_(film)
- simne 3y ago
  Must admit, I absolutely agree with your concerns, that it is extremely bad if AGI will be used at war. I hope, we will end this war before AGI appear.
severino 3y ago
It's hilarious that someone that says it's in Ukraine, "country at war", writes that God bless an state that has brought that same war to hundreds of places in the world. In an article discussing an incident where the country that God should bless killed 290 innocent civilians because they wanted to. Not very different from Russia to me.
- gambiting 3y ago
  What a weird take. Is it really so hard to put yourself in their shoes? If my country was being attacked and America gave us weapons to fight back I'd also say "god bless America" even though I don't believe in god and I'm very aware of all attrocities America has committed in wars across the globe(and still does). Is that so hard to imagine? >>Not very different from Russia to me. Did you think about this sentence for more than 2 seconds before you typed it?
  - severino 3y ago
    > Is it really so hard to put yourself in their shoes? So was it really hard for him to put himself in the shoes of the people to whom America did what Russia is doing to his country? I guess being in the same situation would make him to better empathize with these peoples. But maybe not. > If my country was being attacked and America gave us weapons to fight back I'd also say "god bless America" even though I don't believe in god and I'm very aware of all attrocities America has committed in wars across the globe(and still does). Is that so hard to imagine? I don't know. What would you think if some random Syrian guy wrote "God bless Russia" in a post talking about the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 which was, allegedly, shot sown by Russian forces in the Dombass?
    - gambiting 3y ago
      >>So was it really hard for him to put himself in the shoes of the people to whom America did what Russia is doing to his country? I've literally addressed it. These two are not mutually exclusive. I'm going to be thankful to the country giving me weapons to fight my invader, even if that country is a scumbag too. That shouldn't be difficult concept to grasp. Do you think Ukraine should be like "uhm no thanks US, we don't want your missiles, we're good". What country under active invasion would do that?? >>What would you think if some random Syrian guy wrote "God bless Russia" in a post talking about the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 which was, allegedly, shot sown by Russian forces in the Dombass? I have no idea, because I don't see how that's related.

by simne 3y ago

lebed2045 3y ago

that's truly incredible how much lives can be saved with good electronics and it-systems. I wish the war ends asap, before the autonomous ai-powered drones comes into play... because at that point this might become complete skynet-like hell.

simne 3y ago
Thank you! Unfortunately, I'm not optimistic about terms of war in Ukraine. Unfortunately, war in Ukraine looks not like war of one country against another country, but this war like Democracy and free market against Communism. And rumors said, military support for Russia from North Korea is larger, than support for Ukraine from US. Just now military power of Ukraine is near to equal to Russian, but this is not sufficient to return occupied Ukrainian territories in some overseen time. I'm not sure, if we could afford Korean variant of large part of country sacrificed to communists to end war, because Russia will not stop there, they want to occupy territories of other countries - Poland, Baltic states. So, we working hard, to make Ukrainian military more powerful with new technologies. All possible to save people lives. And yes, we use robotic units at real war, but their intelligence extremely limited, even GPT-3 is too resource demand to be useful, only image recognition technology now is practical at field.
- lobocinza 3y ago
  > And rumors said, military support for Russia from North Korea is larger, than support for Ukraine from US. Certainly China is funding NK support. So they use NK to covertly provide military support to Russia while they front as the "good guys" that support "peace" and only provide economical support to Russia.
  - simne 3y ago
    Agree. NK is classic proxy country, not independent. To be more strict, their behavior is shown in good film. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_of_Spies_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_of_Spies_(film)
simne 3y ago
Must admit, I absolutely agree with your concerns, that it is extremely bad if AGI will be used at war. I hope, we will end this war before AGI appear.

severino 3y ago

It's hilarious that someone that says it's in Ukraine, "country at war", writes that God bless an state that has brought that same war to hundreds of places in the world. In an article discussing an incident where the country that God should bless killed 290 innocent civilians because they wanted to. Not very different from Russia to me.

gambiting 3y ago
What a weird take. Is it really so hard to put yourself in their shoes? If my country was being attacked and America gave us weapons to fight back I'd also say "god bless America" even though I don't believe in god and I'm very aware of all attrocities America has committed in wars across the globe(and still does). Is that so hard to imagine? >>Not very different from Russia to me. Did you think about this sentence for more than 2 seconds before you typed it?
- severino 3y ago
  > Is it really so hard to put yourself in their shoes? So was it really hard for him to put himself in the shoes of the people to whom America did what Russia is doing to his country? I guess being in the same situation would make him to better empathize with these peoples. But maybe not. > If my country was being attacked and America gave us weapons to fight back I'd also say "god bless America" even though I don't believe in god and I'm very aware of all attrocities America has committed in wars across the globe(and still does). Is that so hard to imagine? I don't know. What would you think if some random Syrian guy wrote "God bless Russia" in a post talking about the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 which was, allegedly, shot sown by Russian forces in the Dombass?
  - gambiting 3y ago
    >>So was it really hard for him to put himself in the shoes of the people to whom America did what Russia is doing to his country? I've literally addressed it. These two are not mutually exclusive. I'm going to be thankful to the country giving me weapons to fight my invader, even if that country is a scumbag too. That shouldn't be difficult concept to grasp. Do you think Ukraine should be like "uhm no thanks US, we don't want your missiles, we're good". What country under active invasion would do that?? >>What would you think if some random Syrian guy wrote "God bless Russia" in a post talking about the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 which was, allegedly, shot sown by Russian forces in the Dombass? I have no idea, because I don't see how that's related.