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I'm not sure I completely agree. The clients get vetted cleaners; and even a cleaner coop would need someone to manage/assure quality/market, and someone with t

I'm not sure I completely agree. The clients get vetted cleaners; and even a cleaner coop would need someone to manage/assure quality/market, and someone with those skills can earn more than a cleaner.

ricardobeat 15y ago
The cleaners are vetted/trained by one of themselves. Even if they have to hire a manager later on, he will be getting paid the worth of his contribution, not all of the profit. I'm not so sure about it either, but I have a tendency to be a bit idealistic :)
- nopassrecover 15y ago
  They don't have to take the surplus jobs he is finding them.
  - ricardobeat 15y ago
    I'm not sure in what way your comment is a reply to mine. That is the "little" I think it's adding to the economy (matching demand/offer), yet it's just a misbalance of information and/or power that shouldn't need to exist.
    - _delirium 15y ago
      It'd be interesting to figure out (though I'm not sure how to measure it) how important each of the factors are. For example, one factor is just a marketplace/organization kind of value, the same reason eBay skims n% off every sale, or TaskRabbit takes a percentage. On the other hand, I wonder if there are more structural reasons for why his employees wouldn't be able to cut out the middle-man. For example, is there a kind of class- or race-arbitrage going on, where people are more willing to deal with him because he's "like them", whereas the cleaners come from social groups that the typical clients are more scared of contacting directly, so it's easier for them to get work if he's their public face? If so, that's not his fault (he'd just be arbitraging an existing societal imbalance, which arguably actually mitigates it), but would be interesting to know about.
    - nopassrecover 15y ago
      Well (perhaps I misread) but it seemed that you were implying that he is getting more money than his value is worth here, and that they should instead form their own collective. My counter was that the cleaners don't need to work for this guy, they choose to, and therefore they have by definition decided that his value proposition is worthwhile.
- sopooneo 15y ago
  Though the real world won't follow the text book example, we can argue that an ideal free market will arrive at the same rates, costs, and salaries whether a manager hires the maids or the maids hire a manager.

ricardobeat 15y ago

The cleaners are vetted/trained by one of themselves. Even if they have to hire a manager later on, he will be getting paid the worth of his contribution, not all of the profit. I'm not so sure about it either, but I have a tendency to be a bit idealistic :)

nopassrecover 15y ago
They don't have to take the surplus jobs he is finding them.
- ricardobeat 15y ago
  I'm not sure in what way your comment is a reply to mine. That is the "little" I think it's adding to the economy (matching demand/offer), yet it's just a misbalance of information and/or power that shouldn't need to exist.
  - _delirium 15y ago
    It'd be interesting to figure out (though I'm not sure how to measure it) how important each of the factors are. For example, one factor is just a marketplace/organization kind of value, the same reason eBay skims n% off every sale, or TaskRabbit takes a percentage. On the other hand, I wonder if there are more structural reasons for why his employees wouldn't be able to cut out the middle-man. For example, is there a kind of class- or race-arbitrage going on, where people are more willing to deal with him because he's "like them", whereas the cleaners come from social groups that the typical clients are more scared of contacting directly, so it's easier for them to get work if he's their public face? If so, that's not his fault (he'd just be arbitraging an existing societal imbalance, which arguably actually mitigates it), but would be interesting to know about.
  - nopassrecover 15y ago
    Well (perhaps I misread) but it seemed that you were implying that he is getting more money than his value is worth here, and that they should instead form their own collective. My counter was that the cleaners don't need to work for this guy, they choose to, and therefore they have by definition decided that his value proposition is worthwhile.
sopooneo 15y ago
Though the real world won't follow the text book example, we can argue that an ideal free market will arrive at the same rates, costs, and salaries whether a manager hires the maids or the maids hire a manager.