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The same way police go directly to Amazon to get home security camera footage from Nest devices, they will be able to work with your ISP (if you rent a modem-ro

The same way police go directly to Amazon to get home security camera footage from Nest devices, they will be able to work with your ISP (if you rent a modem-router-ap) or cloud-based-network-gear provider to pull this data from people's houses when serving no-knock warrants or investigate crimes.

oldge 3y ago
You mean ring? Nest is a google property. Doesn’t even use aws, so pretty sure Amazon would just give the police a dumb look if they were asked for footage from nest cameras. Also last I checked nest was one of the better players in this regard requiring warrants and had rigid public data retention processes in place to limit what could be pulled.
imhoguy 3y ago
https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/ but seriously, ISPs can already provide MAC addresses of all active client devices at the building at any time, no need to tell the dog from the owner puzzle by sci-fi tech.
- accrual 3y ago
  There's got to be a limit to that. Most consumer home routers perform NAT, so the ISP should only ever see the MAC of the router's WAN interface. The exception would be if you're running an ISP-supplied modem/router/AP combo unit, but in that case it should be no surprise they can see virtually everything on your network.
  - imoverclocked 3y ago
    Another exception is bridging IPv6. Another exception is logging devices that actively scan for networks. There are probably more exceptions that neither of us have thought of. Bringing a device into your home that is owned by someone else introduces all kinds of security side-effects. When that someone else is a major player in the telecom/tech space, you should be extra-weary of it.
  - imhoguy 3y ago
    99% no tech people just plug in what they get from ISPs, especially fiber where you also get IPTV plan over WiFi/fiber too.

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The same way police go directly to Amazon to get home security camera footage from Nest devices, they will be able to work with your ISP (if you rent a modem-ro

by awakeasleep 3y ago

oldge 3y ago
You mean ring? Nest is a google property. Doesn’t even use aws, so pretty sure Amazon would just give the police a dumb look if they were asked for footage from nest cameras. Also last I checked nest was one of the better players in this regard requiring warrants and had rigid public data retention processes in place to limit what could be pulled.
imhoguy 3y ago
https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/ but seriously, ISPs can already provide MAC addresses of all active client devices at the building at any time, no need to tell the dog from the owner puzzle by sci-fi tech.
- accrual 3y ago
  There's got to be a limit to that. Most consumer home routers perform NAT, so the ISP should only ever see the MAC of the router's WAN interface. The exception would be if you're running an ISP-supplied modem/router/AP combo unit, but in that case it should be no surprise they can see virtually everything on your network.
  - imoverclocked 3y ago
    Another exception is bridging IPv6. Another exception is logging devices that actively scan for networks. There are probably more exceptions that neither of us have thought of. Bringing a device into your home that is owned by someone else introduces all kinds of security side-effects. When that someone else is a major player in the telecom/tech space, you should be extra-weary of it.
  - imhoguy 3y ago
    99% no tech people just plug in what they get from ISPs, especially fiber where you also get IPTV plan over WiFi/fiber too.