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great, now what are the applications and how will this be commercialized into a torment nexus?
by riffic 3y ago
great, now what are the applications and how will this be commercialized into a torment nexus?
- awakeasleep 3y agoThe same way police go directly to Amazon to get home security camera footage from Nest devices, they will be able to work with your ISP (if you rent a modem-router-ap) or cloud-based-network-gear provider to pull this data from people's houses when serving no-knock warrants or investigate crimes.
- oldge 3y agoYou mean ring? Nest is a google property. Doesn’t even use aws, so pretty sure Amazon would just give the police a dumb look if they were asked for footage from nest cameras. Also last I checked nest was one of the better players in this regard requiring warrants and had rigid public data retention processes in place to limit what could be pulled.
- imhoguy 3y agohttps://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/ but seriously, ISPs can already provide MAC addresses of all active client devices at the building at any time, no need to tell the dog from the owner puzzle by sci-fi tech.
- accrual 3y agoThere's got to be a limit to that. Most consumer home routers perform NAT, so the ISP should only ever see the MAC of the router's WAN interface. The exception would be if you're running an ISP-supplied modem/router/AP combo unit, but in that case it should be no surprise they can see virtually everything on your network.
- imoverclocked 3y agoAnother exception is bridging IPv6. Another exception is logging devices that actively scan for networks. There are probably more exceptions that neither of us have thought of. Bringing a device into your home that is owned by someone else introduces all kinds of security side-effects. When that someone else is a major player in the telecom/tech space, you should be extra-weary of it.
- imhoguy 3y ago99% no tech people just plug in what they get from ISPs, especially fiber where you also get IPTV plan over WiFi/fiber too.
- transpute 3y agoHundreds of public research papers include terms like these: human-to-human interaction recognition device-free human activity recognition occupant activity recognition in smart offices emotion sensing via wireless channel data CSI learning for gait biometric sensing sleep monitoring from afar human breath status via commodity wifi device-free crowd sensing No mention of hive minds.
- golergka 3y agoI think that this would primarily have military/police applications. Being able to tell in real time where the people in confined space are just by hacking their WiFi sounds invaluable.
- transpute 3y agoNo hacking required. A passive receiver outside a wall can sense reflections passing through the wall, from the transmitter inside. Applies to neighbors and adversaries. Imagine Streetview sensing cars, capturing not only home exteriors, but interiors.
- golergka 3y agoAttaching a receiver to a wall outside might be much more challenging than hacking in certain situations.
- transpute 3y agoNo attachment necessary, only antennas. An attacker could target devices inside or outside the building. WiFi connected surveillance cameras are pervasive. What happens if they can "sense" through the walls of buildings?