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Jaques is the French spelling of Jack/Jaak/Jak/Jaq. They're all pronounced the same, modulo irrelevant differences in vowel sounds.

tgma 3y ago
- Is the text French? - No. QED.
- explaininjs 3y ago
  - Is the word French? - Yes. QED.
meepmorp 3y ago
> Jaques is the French spelling of Jack/Jaak/Jak/Jaq. They're all pronounced the same They're not, though. The French pronunciation of 'j', as in the word Jaques is /ʒ/. In English, 'j' at the beginning of the word 'Jack' is pronounced /dʒ/. And 'Jaak' makes me think of Dutch, where that 'j' is pronounced as /j/.
- explaininjs 3y ago
  In the prescriptivists fantasyland, yes. In the real world, the descriptivist realizes an individual's pronunciation of the concept labelled Jac/Jack/Jacques/Jacq/Jak/etc. depends much more on the their personal context and stylistic choice than the spelling used. I've heard many folks (American and otherwise) pronounce "Jack" many times in my life, and the range of utterances very comfortably includes Pépin's own "Jacques".
  - meepmorp 3y ago
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    - explaininjs 3y ago
      There’s no single way “native” speakers say any word, and the fact that you think there is shows you have had no exposure to the massive diversity of American accents.
      - meepmorp 3y ago
        What dialect of American English treats /ʒ/ and /dʒ/ as allophones at the beginning of a word (or any other context)? You've already (weirdly) accused me of being a prescriptivist, here's your chance to counter with some descriptive evidence of the kind of variation you are talking about. I'd love to be wrong, because I'd learn a new thing. Please, educate me.
        explaininjs 3y ago
        Listen, you’ll hear. Nothing quite as weird as someone accusing me of not knowing how people in my own country say my own name. The amount of misplaced confidence in this form is just absurd sometimes.
        meepmorp 3y ago
        I'm also from the US and I've spent quite a lot of time listening to people speaking, specifically listening for how they realize phonemes. Your experience doesn't at all align with mine, either what I heard or what I've read about dialect variation in the US. Anyway, sorry to have upset you.

tgma 3y ago

- Is the text French? - No. QED.

explaininjs 3y ago
- Is the word French? - Yes. QED.

meepmorp 3y ago

> Jaques is the French spelling of Jack/Jaak/Jak/Jaq. They're all pronounced the same They're not, though. The French pronunciation of 'j', as in the word Jaques is /ʒ/. In English, 'j' at the beginning of the word 'Jack' is pronounced /dʒ/. And 'Jaak' makes me think of Dutch, where that 'j' is pronounced as /j/.

explaininjs 3y ago
In the prescriptivists fantasyland, yes. In the real world, the descriptivist realizes an individual's pronunciation of the concept labelled Jac/Jack/Jacques/Jacq/Jak/etc. depends much more on the their personal context and stylistic choice than the spelling used. I've heard many folks (American and otherwise) pronounce "Jack" many times in my life, and the range of utterances very comfortably includes Pépin's own "Jacques".
- meepmorp 3y ago
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  - explaininjs 3y ago
    There’s no single way “native” speakers say any word, and the fact that you think there is shows you have had no exposure to the massive diversity of American accents.
    - meepmorp 3y ago
      What dialect of American English treats /ʒ/ and /dʒ/ as allophones at the beginning of a word (or any other context)? You've already (weirdly) accused me of being a prescriptivist, here's your chance to counter with some descriptive evidence of the kind of variation you are talking about. I'd love to be wrong, because I'd learn a new thing. Please, educate me.
      - explaininjs 3y ago
        Listen, you’ll hear. Nothing quite as weird as someone accusing me of not knowing how people in my own country say my own name. The amount of misplaced confidence in this form is just absurd sometimes.
        meepmorp 3y ago
        I'm also from the US and I've spent quite a lot of time listening to people speaking, specifically listening for how they realize phonemes. Your experience doesn't at all align with mine, either what I heard or what I've read about dialect variation in the US. Anyway, sorry to have upset you.