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> with some upgrades You are vastly, vastly underestimating the amount of investment required. It's in the trillions of dollars.

huijzer 3y ago
Does that number include new ways of doing things? For example, more decentralized generation/storage?
bryanlarsen 3y ago
Hardly. Perhaps you're confusing with the costs of a transition to a carbon-free grid. That will cost trillions up front but save even more trillions over time. Electric vehicles will add 20% to our electric energy requirements, but a lot less than 20% to our power requirements. Peak power is ~6PM during times of extreme weather. Some cars are being charged at that time, but most are charged overnight.
dzhiurgis 3y ago
In my case it’s 50% of cars cost. Maybe 25% if I tried really hard.
acdha 3y ago
Even if that’s not the exaggeration it appears to be, fossil fuel production alone is subsidized to the tune of trillions of dollars per year. If you’re saying we can stop that going forward and use less than a year’s savings to make one-time improvements which will prevent disasters and improve health for millions of people, that sounds like a great deal even if we had a choice (which we don’t).
afpx 3y ago
I’m more concerned with lack of chargers. Between DC and Pittsburgh, there are only a few chargers. There are probably more than 100 gas stations.
- instagib 3y ago
  Wait until all vehicles can charge at the working Tesla network which includes a fee for charging past 90% charge on a $1 per minute basis. Then another charge of a full charging station per minute fee. https://electrek.co/2023/11/21/tesla-launches-supercharger-congestion-fee-at-1-per-min-at-90-charge/ https://electrek.co/2023/11/21/tesla-launches-supercharger-c...
  - Kirby64 3y ago
    Are you suggesting these fees are bad or predatory? Because those fees only accumulate if you basically waste your time at a full charging station hogging a spot, while others could actually use it at its full capacity while you’re only sipping 20-30kW (or, zero, in the case of idle fees).
    - instagib 3y ago
      No. Relating to not enough stations. Soon all vehicles will be able to charge there and fees on top in case they didn’t know.

huijzer 3y ago

Does that number include new ways of doing things? For example, more decentralized generation/storage?

bryanlarsen 3y ago

Hardly. Perhaps you're confusing with the costs of a transition to a carbon-free grid. That will cost trillions up front but save even more trillions over time. Electric vehicles will add 20% to our electric energy requirements, but a lot less than 20% to our power requirements. Peak power is ~6PM during times of extreme weather. Some cars are being charged at that time, but most are charged overnight.

dzhiurgis 3y ago

In my case it’s 50% of cars cost. Maybe 25% if I tried really hard.

acdha 3y ago

Even if that’s not the exaggeration it appears to be, fossil fuel production alone is subsidized to the tune of trillions of dollars per year. If you’re saying we can stop that going forward and use less than a year’s savings to make one-time improvements which will prevent disasters and improve health for millions of people, that sounds like a great deal even if we had a choice (which we don’t).

afpx 3y ago

I’m more concerned with lack of chargers. Between DC and Pittsburgh, there are only a few chargers. There are probably more than 100 gas stations.

instagib 3y ago
Wait until all vehicles can charge at the working Tesla network which includes a fee for charging past 90% charge on a $1 per minute basis. Then another charge of a full charging station per minute fee. https://electrek.co/2023/11/21/tesla-launches-supercharger-congestion-fee-at-1-per-min-at-90-charge/ https://electrek.co/2023/11/21/tesla-launches-supercharger-c...
- Kirby64 3y ago
  Are you suggesting these fees are bad or predatory? Because those fees only accumulate if you basically waste your time at a full charging station hogging a spot, while others could actually use it at its full capacity while you’re only sipping 20-30kW (or, zero, in the case of idle fees).
  - instagib 3y ago
    No. Relating to not enough stations. Soon all vehicles will be able to charge there and fees on top in case they didn’t know.