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My first instinct was to pronounce jaq as "jack".

explaininjs 3y ago
Did you watch the video? That's exactly how "Jaques" is pronounced. It's French: you ignore everything but the non-s-consonants and the first vowel.
- pourred 3y ago
  No, /dʒæk/ is not /ʒak/
  - explaininjs 3y ago
    Found the Frenchmen :) Yes they're slightly different in theory, but not in any way that would prohibit mutual understanding. Besides, if you're telling anyone about this library you're most certainly going to spell it out anyways.
    - trealira 3y ago
      I'm American and pronounce Jacques and Jack the way they described. If someone said [ʒak], I would transcribe it as Jacques, and if someone said [dʒæk], I would transcribe it as Jack. It may be a French name, but it's not very foreign. (If I heard [dʒak], I would assume the speaker is British and transcribe it as Jack). I was confused reading people say that Jacques is pronounced the same as Jack, so it does seem like mutual understanding is inhibited. It's just like how, even though Johann is a German name (though borrowed from Latin), I know to pronounce it in English not as [dʒoʊhæn] (the naive English pronunciation), but as [joʊhan], which is similar to the German pronunciation, [johan].
      - explaininjs 3y ago
        I’d say the amount of time before that sneak edit from Jacques to Jack lends credibility my claim of the two’s “essential interchangability”.
        trealira 3y ago
        You're implying I subconsciously view them the same and pronounce them the same. But I don't. Maybe your dialect of English is different than mine, but I am not you. And it was there for a while because I use Hacker News on my phone and don't check it all the time. My original sentence repeated the same word twice as a typo. It was this: > I was confused reading people say that Jacques is pronounced the same as Jacques. I realized my mistake and edited it to this: > I was confused reading people say that Jacques is pronounced the same as Jack. If we'd been discussing the words "chick" and "chic," I might have accidentally written: > I was originally confused reading people say that chick is pronounced them the same as chick. Then I'd realize my error and edit it to: > I was originally confused reading people say that chick is pronounced them the same as chic. That doesn't mean I actually pronounce "chick" the same way as "chic" and it doesn't make the words interchangeable in the dialect I speak. "Chic" is pronounced like "Sheikh," referring to the Arab leader, or like "Sheik" from the Legend of Zelda. I'll be confused if you say "a baby Sheikh" instead of "a baby chick," and if you say "chick fashion" instead of "chic fashion" I'll be thrown off but realize you meant "chic."
        explaininjs 3y ago
        The implication I'm positing is "if you mix up words without notice, they are conceptually interchangeable". You can't disprove it by stating that words you didn't mix up without notice aren't interchangeable.
        trealira 3y ago
        Or it means I simply made a a mistake. > mix up without notice aren't interchangeable. Sometimes I have accidentally written "chick" when I wrote "chic" due to autocorrect, just not during this conversation. Regardless, I guess I can't make you believe me when I say what sounds natural to me. Ignore what I say if you really want. The fact that you insist that I say the two names interchangeably does not make it so.
- roywiggins 3y ago
  Jack and Jacques have a different "J": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fr-Paris--Jacques.ogg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fr-Paris--Jacques.ogg
  - explaininjs 3y ago
    Barely. Not enough to be a hinderance to mutual understanding.
    - stronglikedan 3y ago
      To me, the proper pronunciation of Jacques sounds more like "Jock", so it does seem to be more than barely significant.
      - explaininjs 3y ago
        Does this https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=Jacques&mid=69ABC8867AD99F7CDA2E69ABC8867AD99F7CDA2E&FORM=VIRE https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=Jacques... really sound like Jock to you? There is a significant sharp "æ" sound, the same as in Jack/dʒæk
        trealira 3y ago
        It sounds like [a] to me, not [æ]. The a in the name Jacques is pronounced as in the word father. The a in the name Jack is pronounced as in cat.
        explaininjs 3y ago
        As someone who has heard the name "Jack" pronounced by Americans many, many, many times in their life... that Jaques video sounds entirely in-range of the variety of pronunciations I hear for Jack.
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Did you watch the video? That's exactly how "Jaques" is pronounced. It's French: you ignore everything but the non-s-consonants and the first vowel.

pourred 3y ago
No, /dʒæk/ is not /ʒak/
- explaininjs 3y ago
  Found the Frenchmen :) Yes they're slightly different in theory, but not in any way that would prohibit mutual understanding. Besides, if you're telling anyone about this library you're most certainly going to spell it out anyways.
  - trealira 3y ago
    I'm American and pronounce Jacques and Jack the way they described. If someone said [ʒak], I would transcribe it as Jacques, and if someone said [dʒæk], I would transcribe it as Jack. It may be a French name, but it's not very foreign. (If I heard [dʒak], I would assume the speaker is British and transcribe it as Jack). I was confused reading people say that Jacques is pronounced the same as Jack, so it does seem like mutual understanding is inhibited. It's just like how, even though Johann is a German name (though borrowed from Latin), I know to pronounce it in English not as [dʒoʊhæn] (the naive English pronunciation), but as [joʊhan], which is similar to the German pronunciation, [johan].
    - explaininjs 3y ago
      I’d say the amount of time before that sneak edit from Jacques to Jack lends credibility my claim of the two’s “essential interchangability”.
      - trealira 3y ago
        You're implying I subconsciously view them the same and pronounce them the same. But I don't. Maybe your dialect of English is different than mine, but I am not you. And it was there for a while because I use Hacker News on my phone and don't check it all the time. My original sentence repeated the same word twice as a typo. It was this: > I was confused reading people say that Jacques is pronounced the same as Jacques. I realized my mistake and edited it to this: > I was confused reading people say that Jacques is pronounced the same as Jack. If we'd been discussing the words "chick" and "chic," I might have accidentally written: > I was originally confused reading people say that chick is pronounced them the same as chick. Then I'd realize my error and edit it to: > I was originally confused reading people say that chick is pronounced them the same as chic. That doesn't mean I actually pronounce "chick" the same way as "chic" and it doesn't make the words interchangeable in the dialect I speak. "Chic" is pronounced like "Sheikh," referring to the Arab leader, or like "Sheik" from the Legend of Zelda. I'll be confused if you say "a baby Sheikh" instead of "a baby chick," and if you say "chick fashion" instead of "chic fashion" I'll be thrown off but realize you meant "chic."
        explaininjs 3y ago
        The implication I'm positing is "if you mix up words without notice, they are conceptually interchangeable". You can't disprove it by stating that words you didn't mix up without notice aren't interchangeable.
        trealira 3y ago
        Or it means I simply made a a mistake. > mix up without notice aren't interchangeable. Sometimes I have accidentally written "chick" when I wrote "chic" due to autocorrect, just not during this conversation. Regardless, I guess I can't make you believe me when I say what sounds natural to me. Ignore what I say if you really want. The fact that you insist that I say the two names interchangeably does not make it so.
roywiggins 3y ago
Jack and Jacques have a different "J": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fr-Paris--Jacques.ogg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fr-Paris--Jacques.ogg
- explaininjs 3y ago
  Barely. Not enough to be a hinderance to mutual understanding.
  - stronglikedan 3y ago
    To me, the proper pronunciation of Jacques sounds more like "Jock", so it does seem to be more than barely significant.
    - explaininjs 3y ago
      Does this https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=Jacques&mid=69ABC8867AD99F7CDA2E69ABC8867AD99F7CDA2E&FORM=VIRE https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=Jacques... really sound like Jock to you? There is a significant sharp "æ" sound, the same as in Jack/dʒæk
      - trealira 3y ago
        It sounds like [a] to me, not [æ]. The a in the name Jacques is pronounced as in the word father. The a in the name Jack is pronounced as in cat.
        explaininjs 3y ago
        As someone who has heard the name "Jack" pronounced by Americans many, many, many times in their life... that Jaques video sounds entirely in-range of the variety of pronunciations I hear for Jack.
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