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the market is really tightening up. people love to say if you can't find a job it's b/c you're not skilled blah blah but if your making good money it may be har

the market is really tightening up. people love to say if you can't find a job it's b/c you're not skilled blah blah but if your making good money it may be hard to find another job at that income level.

zamalek 3y ago
If you're reasonably polyglot then finding a well-paying job isn't too hard - the market is already swinging back towards favoring talent and open positions are climbing (at least according to an interview I listened to the other day [1]). Of course, if you're coming from the likes of Amazon then I'd be inclined to agree: 400k+ is a rarity - but you'd probably be able to pull it off by migrating to another MOFAANG. Edit: in addition, if you are 400k+ you'd probably enjoy the privilege of skipping the interview and even having a position opened for you. [1]: https://rustacean-station.org/episode/cedric-sellmann/ https://rustacean-station.org/episode/cedric-sellmann/
- rightbyte 3y ago
  Favouring talent? The recruiters won't know how good you are. Talent doesn't help. Recruiting is more or less random in my experience.
  - zamalek 3y ago
    For upper level MOFAANG engineers earning more than 400k?
    - antisthenes 3y ago
      How many of these people actually exist worldwide? Maybe try to make your advice more applicable to at least 5% of the population?
      - zamalek 3y ago
        That's moving the goal posts. The first reply was concerned about the pay scale and 300-400k are scarce but usually available. So either you are in the < 400k camp where jobs are typically available, or you are in the > 400k camp where you don't have to worry about job availability. Overall, if your opinion is that jobs aren't available with your pay scale, have you recently searched for one?
        noisenotsignal 3y ago
        >400k and fully remote is still not easy. Most of the obvious high payers in big tech (e.g. Meta) have required days in the office, and I can think of very few high-paying companies that don’t have N days RTO at all levels (literally only Netflix off the top of my head). It is also not the case that such people get in without interviews. Senior+ (though largely staff+) is generally when you can make 400k and there are definitely still grueling interview loops at those levels.
        zamalek 3y ago
        This moves the goal posts yet again. I did ask the root commenter why they were tolerating being treated like a child.
        noisenotsignal 3y ago
        Sorry, I didn’t remember the start of the thread by the time I got here. But in later comments you said “in addition, if you are 400k+ you'd probably enjoy the privilege of skipping the interview and even having a position opened for you” and “or you are in the > 400k camp where you don't have to worry about job availability”, both of which I disagree with and provided counter examples for. So, one being in the 400k+ camp does not make it any easier to find an equally well-paying job, hence toleration for being treated like a child.
asoneth 3y ago
Agreed. Finding remote jobs seems easy, the challenge is finding remote jobs that are interesting and pay close to my current salary. I'd accept a 10-20% salary hit to skip my 20m commute 3 days a week, but so far the only options have been for 40%+ lower salaries or work that I am less interested in. For me that tradeoff is not worth it.

zamalek 3y ago

If you're reasonably polyglot then finding a well-paying job isn't too hard - the market is already swinging back towards favoring talent and open positions are climbing (at least according to an interview I listened to the other day [1]). Of course, if you're coming from the likes of Amazon then I'd be inclined to agree: 400k+ is a rarity - but you'd probably be able to pull it off by migrating to another MOFAANG. Edit: in addition, if you are 400k+ you'd probably enjoy the privilege of skipping the interview and even having a position opened for you. [1]: https://rustacean-station.org/episode/cedric-sellmann/ https://rustacean-station.org/episode/cedric-sellmann/

rightbyte 3y ago
Favouring talent? The recruiters won't know how good you are. Talent doesn't help. Recruiting is more or less random in my experience.
- zamalek 3y ago
  For upper level MOFAANG engineers earning more than 400k?
  - antisthenes 3y ago
    How many of these people actually exist worldwide? Maybe try to make your advice more applicable to at least 5% of the population?
    - zamalek 3y ago
      That's moving the goal posts. The first reply was concerned about the pay scale and 300-400k are scarce but usually available. So either you are in the < 400k camp where jobs are typically available, or you are in the > 400k camp where you don't have to worry about job availability. Overall, if your opinion is that jobs aren't available with your pay scale, have you recently searched for one?
      - noisenotsignal 3y ago
        >400k and fully remote is still not easy. Most of the obvious high payers in big tech (e.g. Meta) have required days in the office, and I can think of very few high-paying companies that don’t have N days RTO at all levels (literally only Netflix off the top of my head). It is also not the case that such people get in without interviews. Senior+ (though largely staff+) is generally when you can make 400k and there are definitely still grueling interview loops at those levels.
        zamalek 3y ago
        This moves the goal posts yet again. I did ask the root commenter why they were tolerating being treated like a child.
        noisenotsignal 3y ago
        Sorry, I didn’t remember the start of the thread by the time I got here. But in later comments you said “in addition, if you are 400k+ you'd probably enjoy the privilege of skipping the interview and even having a position opened for you” and “or you are in the > 400k camp where you don't have to worry about job availability”, both of which I disagree with and provided counter examples for. So, one being in the 400k+ camp does not make it any easier to find an equally well-paying job, hence toleration for being treated like a child.

asoneth 3y ago

Agreed. Finding remote jobs seems easy, the challenge is finding remote jobs that are interesting and pay close to my current salary. I'd accept a 10-20% salary hit to skip my 20m commute 3 days a week, but so far the only options have been for 40%+ lower salaries or work that I am less interested in. For me that tradeoff is not worth it.