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If you consider protecting women's rights and opposing homophobia/transphobia as fascism, then yeah sure. Sitting here in europe looking in, its fairly obvious

If you consider protecting women's rights and opposing homophobia/transphobia as fascism, then yeah sure. Sitting here in europe looking in, its fairly obvious that 'Both sides' is just an excuse to explain away persecuting people as a political choice.

w0m 3y ago
You can't simply take away someones right to tell people what to do and believe. That's the definition of fascism.
- CobaltFire 3y ago
  My philosophy is this: Your rights end where mine begin. If someone wants to do something that impacts my ability to live my life, that’s not something that should be a right, I.e. someone being gay doesn’t materially impact someone else’s ability to live their life but making their ability to exist as they are illegal does impact their ability to live their life. I find it to be a fairly simple premise to guide myself by.
  - foogazi 3y ago
    > Among individuals, as among nations, respect for the rights of others is peace. - Benito Juarez
- chpatrick 3y ago
  Sure you can: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
- neogodless 3y ago
  If I'm reading this correctly, you want to protect the right to "tell people what to do and believe." That's your top priority? Being allowed to dictate what other people do... and believe?
- readthenotes1 3y ago
  "a", not "the". "The" definition of fascism nowadays is what someone else believes
- 303uru 3y ago
  Wait, what? Want to read that again and take another stab. Someone having the "right" to control my life seems like a pretty big stomping all over my rights.
  - mantas 3y ago
    On the other hand, people doing whatever they want means more aggressive people stomp all people around them. Some limits are necessary to make a community work. Especially long term. For example smoking. Smoking in public is more clear due to 2nd hand smoking. But even smoking in private sucks for community because it costs a ton in healthcare.
bloopernova 3y ago
My experience reading comments over the past few years is that some people cling desperately to the both sides argument. It seems to provide them an emotional safety blanket that allows them to justify their views because "both sides are terrible so I'll just be terrible." Or they use it to abrogate their responsibility for political change. It's a pretty weak justification. I can appreciate that stuff we grew up with and laughed at might not be acceptable nowadays, but that's no excuse to dig one's heels in and refuse to grow up.
theironhammer 3y ago
Compromise is paramount. The alternative is what u are seeing in Gaza.
mantas 3y ago
Sitting here in europe, pushing ssome LGBTQIA+ stuff down the throat does seem like fascism. Women sports one of the prime example.
- ceccle 3y ago
  And even worse than that, what's happening in women's prisons. It couldn't be more obvious that this is rooted in male entitlement and dominance, yet somehow the oppressor gets painted as the oppressed and vice versa.
marcusverus 3y ago
Is this honest ignorance or cynical rhetoric? One can never tell these days. Nobody thinks that the left's liberal policies are creeping fascism, but rather its leftist, illiberal ones. The right is criticized for 'fascism' for merely existing--the same policies they've advocated for decades without such accusations are suddenly 'fascist'! It's a matter of linguistic manipulation--of bad faith--and nothing more. It's frankly sad to see folks on HN who fall for this gutter sophistry, which is clearly aimed at people who have no conception whatever of history, whether of American politics or of fascism. The left, on the other hand, is criticized for 'fascism' because they increasingly adopt, encourage, and condone the political program and tactics of fascist authoritarians. Because wherever they have control of institutions, they seek to use them to pursue political goals. Corporate DEI, corporate ESG policies, banks freezing assets of protesters, social media banning conservatives, corporations pushing the trans agenda--these are all examples of a now-familiar phenomenon in which captured corporations push unpopular progressive political goals. The merging of state, party and corporate power for the furtherance of progressive goals is, of course, the very heart of fascism. But that's not all! The left increasingly embraces the streetwise, strong-arm tactics of the brownshirts; by encouraging/defending the anti-social harassment of conservative politicians, remaining silent as conservatives were silenced on campuses around the country, defending corporations who censored conservatives (the only point on which progressives aggressively defend corporate power at the expense of the consumer), aggravating racial tension for political gain, openly encouraging riots that caused billions in damage and took many lives, and so on. Remember, on the eve of the 2020 election, city centers around the country were boarded up in fear that the mobs of angry people, masked and dressed in black, would swoop down and resume their months-long campaign of wonton destruction. And it wasn't the right that they were afraid of, but the left--and for good reason!
- 303uru 3y ago
  I see the brain fully drained.

w0m 3y ago

You can't simply take away someones right to tell people what to do and believe. That's the definition of fascism.

CobaltFire 3y ago
My philosophy is this: Your rights end where mine begin. If someone wants to do something that impacts my ability to live my life, that’s not something that should be a right, I.e. someone being gay doesn’t materially impact someone else’s ability to live their life but making their ability to exist as they are illegal does impact their ability to live their life. I find it to be a fairly simple premise to guide myself by.
- foogazi 3y ago
  > Among individuals, as among nations, respect for the rights of others is peace. - Benito Juarez
chpatrick 3y ago
Sure you can: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
neogodless 3y ago
If I'm reading this correctly, you want to protect the right to "tell people what to do and believe." That's your top priority? Being allowed to dictate what other people do... and believe?
readthenotes1 3y ago
"a", not "the". "The" definition of fascism nowadays is what someone else believes
303uru 3y ago
Wait, what? Want to read that again and take another stab. Someone having the "right" to control my life seems like a pretty big stomping all over my rights.
- mantas 3y ago
  On the other hand, people doing whatever they want means more aggressive people stomp all people around them. Some limits are necessary to make a community work. Especially long term. For example smoking. Smoking in public is more clear due to 2nd hand smoking. But even smoking in private sucks for community because it costs a ton in healthcare.

bloopernova 3y ago

My experience reading comments over the past few years is that some people cling desperately to the both sides argument. It seems to provide them an emotional safety blanket that allows them to justify their views because "both sides are terrible so I'll just be terrible." Or they use it to abrogate their responsibility for political change. It's a pretty weak justification. I can appreciate that stuff we grew up with and laughed at might not be acceptable nowadays, but that's no excuse to dig one's heels in and refuse to grow up.

theironhammer 3y ago

Compromise is paramount. The alternative is what u are seeing in Gaza.

mantas 3y ago

Sitting here in europe, pushing ssome LGBTQIA+ stuff down the throat does seem like fascism. Women sports one of the prime example.

ceccle 3y ago
And even worse than that, what's happening in women's prisons. It couldn't be more obvious that this is rooted in male entitlement and dominance, yet somehow the oppressor gets painted as the oppressed and vice versa.

marcusverus 3y ago

Is this honest ignorance or cynical rhetoric? One can never tell these days. Nobody thinks that the left's liberal policies are creeping fascism, but rather its leftist, illiberal ones. The right is criticized for 'fascism' for merely existing--the same policies they've advocated for decades without such accusations are suddenly 'fascist'! It's a matter of linguistic manipulation--of bad faith--and nothing more. It's frankly sad to see folks on HN who fall for this gutter sophistry, which is clearly aimed at people who have no conception whatever of history, whether of American politics or of fascism. The left, on the other hand, is criticized for 'fascism' because they increasingly adopt, encourage, and condone the political program and tactics of fascist authoritarians. Because wherever they have control of institutions, they seek to use them to pursue political goals. Corporate DEI, corporate ESG policies, banks freezing assets of protesters, social media banning conservatives, corporations pushing the trans agenda--these are all examples of a now-familiar phenomenon in which captured corporations push unpopular progressive political goals. The merging of state, party and corporate power for the furtherance of progressive goals is, of course, the very heart of fascism. But that's not all! The left increasingly embraces the streetwise, strong-arm tactics of the brownshirts; by encouraging/defending the anti-social harassment of conservative politicians, remaining silent as conservatives were silenced on campuses around the country, defending corporations who censored conservatives (the only point on which progressives aggressively defend corporate power at the expense of the consumer), aggravating racial tension for political gain, openly encouraging riots that caused billions in damage and took many lives, and so on. Remember, on the eve of the 2020 election, city centers around the country were boarded up in fear that the mobs of angry people, masked and dressed in black, would swoop down and resume their months-long campaign of wonton destruction. And it wasn't the right that they were afraid of, but the left--and for good reason!

303uru 3y ago
I see the brain fully drained.