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It's true, car dealers "can't sell" EVs. Not because people don't want EVs, but because dealers either don't want to sell them, or don't know how to sell them.

• hitpointdrew 3y ago
  I don’t want an EV. EV’s will never be a viable option until they are better in every facet than a combustion engine. The charging is cumbersome and much longer than filling a gas tank, hard pass. I would buy a combustion engine car, even if it was more expensive, for this reason alone.
  • busterarm 3y ago
    Californians don't realize that in most of the rest of the country, the infrastructure still isn't there. There's a reason car sales in NYC are still sub-1% EVs.
    • JCharante 3y ago
      who is driving more than 200 miles per day??
      • busterarm 3y ago
        That's the wrong way to look at it. Regardless of how much you're driving, most folks in dense urban non-Californian areas are getting at best a Level 2 charge. Who has the time to sit around or park their car for an hour for every 20 miles they drive? If you take NYC for example, EV parking spaces are big bucks and for the few available public infrastructure places, most of the spots are being occupied full time by city parks department vehicles that rarely if ever leave the charger. As far as taking your question literally, you should talk to people in the midwest more -- I know lots of folks in the Dakotas and Wyoming with crazy schedules and 4hr commutes because that's literally the closest work.
        • smileysteve 3y ago
          > I know lots of folks in the Dakotas and Wyoming; Add in Alaska. And you're at 3m citizens of 282m vehicles. (< ~1% if every citizen of these 4 states has a vehicle)
          • busterarm 3y ago
            Sure thing, but they're entitled to travel too. They may be 1% of vehicles but national legislation mandating EVs effects them just the same. Also way to pick out the least significant part of what I said to have a gripe about.
            • smileysteve 3y ago
              The current mandate is 2 out of 3 vehicles (66%) by 2032 and the federal fleet be electric. 33% allows for 33x the population you're citing; and has an additional 9 years to get there.
      • hknapp 3y ago
        I don't think that matters. If I can't use a car for the 5 times I take 400+ mile road trips a year, why would I buy it?
  • takumo 3y ago
    If you think inserting a plug into a socket is "cumbersome" perhaps. Plus you can do it at home, while you sleep. If you're on a long trip the range is long enough now that is a good reason to stretch your legs and hydrate.
    • TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
      When you can't charge over night, then standing for an hour on a charger is absurdly inconvenient. Like returning from touchscreen phone to rotary phone and screaming progress.
      • gruturo 3y ago
        It already doesn't take one hour to charge most new cars - rather half, unless you insist on charging also for the last 15-20% which is slower to protect the battery. And this is a baseline from which we're steadily improving year after year. DC Fast charging was 50kW, then 150, now 350kW chargers are being deployed (admittedly not many current, and very few older cars can take advantage of the full speed) and will keep getting even faster over time. An 80% charge at 350kW would take under 10.5 minutes even for a semi-large 75kW/h battery*, you'd barely have the time to hit the bathroom and order a fast food meal to consume in the car - and this will gradually become the new baseline, from which you can expect further improvements down the line. * it would actually take more if you showed up with a completely empty battery - the first 10ish % needs to be slower, to protect the battery - but in reality you would NOT plan to reach a charger with such little range remaining, so it would actually take you quite a bit less. A 15% to 80% charge on a 75kW/h battery at 350kW would take 8m21s.
        • TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
          That's all nice theory, but from my experience as BEV owner: * 350kW chargers are rare, cars able to take the charge even more. (I have Enyaq, charge is capped around 150kW, never saw it charging faster). The most common charger in the wild is around 50kW * 100kW+ chargers are insanely expensive. It is cheaper to drive ICE than charge on those. * Chargers are often broken * You are assuming that there is nobody in front of you. Good luck getting your 8 minutes with 2 other cars waiting to charge as well. * 8 minutes is still slower than getting a gas to an ICE
  • Talinx 3y ago
    That not every customer wants an EV or that an EV is not the best car for every customer is no excuse for sales reps being subpar when it comes to EVs. Especially when the car industry does not take sales rep performance into account when evaluating EV sales at dealerships.
  • castlecrasher2 3y ago
    Mostly agreed here. We love our EV...for short drives. For longer ones, we have an ICE minivan.
    • mindslight 3y ago
      I don't see how you agree with the poster when it seems like for you, an EV is quite viable. The reality is that each has different constraints. Sitting around waiting for a charge on road trips seems annoying. Never having to "get gas" for local trips seems awesome.
  • dzhiurgis 3y ago
    IDK it saved me few hours. I did 22000 km with my EV. That 2.2 tons of fuel saved which is about 36 fills which is 3 hours at 5 minutes each. During my ownership I did 3 longer trips. Total charge time is about 1.5 hours.
• JohnFen 3y ago
  I don't want an EV. Well, I'm not opposed to an EV, but I am opposed to a car that phones to someone's server somewhere. That excludes (AFAICT) all EVs and non-EV cars of recent vintage.