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Has there been unambiguous, conclusive proof that plant-based meat is safe or at least as safe as naturally derived meat? Noone likes big state but at the very

Has there been unambiguous, conclusive proof that plant-based meat is safe or at least as safe as naturally derived meat? Noone likes big state but at the very least we should avoid making the same mistakes we have been making for decades with pesticides, forever chemicals etc before we declare victory for growing a burger patty.

PurpleRamen 3y ago
Has there been unambiguous, conclusive proof that animal-based meat is safe or that plant-based meat is unsafe? This is a very loaded and pointless question. Those products are sold for years already, they are tested enough to say that they won't kill you immediately. Everything else is pointless until you have some relevant clue to a real threat. But just as a reminder: we know that animal-based meat is unhealthy and can cause cancer. Still legal to sell, because at the level of normal consumption, it doesn't matter.
- thefz 3y ago
  > This is a very loaded and pointless question. Except that humans have been consuming animal meat since day zero. Lab grown, not so much.
  - PurpleRamen 3y ago
    The question was about plant-based, not artificial animal-meat from a lab.
  - asadotzler 3y ago
    And humans have been eating plant based meals just as long or longer. Lab grown isn't topical for this sub thread.
- xinayder 3y ago
  > conclusive proof that animal-based meat is safe they have nutrients that our body requires, which are a lot harder to replace with plant-based alternatives
- laylower 3y ago
  I am all for alternatives but they need to be tested properly. I think you are letting emotion take away reason. "They are tested enough to say that they won't kill you immediately" so the pass test is eating something and not dropping dead? "we know that animal-based meat is unhealthy and can cause cancer". A large study and a study of studies published last month showed that the claim that red mean can cause cancer is incorrect. And, in any case, if you read my original comment you will see that I specify that plant-based meat should be shown to be "at least as safe" as actual meat.
  - PurpleRamen 3y ago
    > I think you are letting emotion take away reason. I could say the same for you. > so the pass test is eating something and not dropping dead? Basically yes, that's how all industry has always been working. In reality, it's of course a bit more complicated. But if you don't die from something today, then nobody can say why you died in 20 years because of something did today. > A large study and a study of studies published last month showed that the claim that red mean can cause cancer is incorrect. Source? But I doubt this is relevant. This is an endless circle of claims from all side with many different perspectives. > I specify that plant-based meat should be shown to be "at least as safe" as actual meat. Yes, and it's still up to you to prove that there can be unsafe. Plant-based products are nothing new. If you have a problem with them, find some better claim then your gut-feeling.
footy 3y ago
The problem with this is that "unambiguous, conclusive proof" is an ill-defined benchmark. That's before getting into the question of food allergies or intolerances. I stopped eating meat 8 or so years ago, and I love seitan, but that would be wildly unhealthy for a person with a gluten allergy to consume. On the other hand my meat eating sister is allergic to chicken, and has been told by her doctor to cut down on red meat, so seitan is safer for her than animal products.

PurpleRamen 3y ago

Has there been unambiguous, conclusive proof that animal-based meat is safe or that plant-based meat is unsafe? This is a very loaded and pointless question. Those products are sold for years already, they are tested enough to say that they won't kill you immediately. Everything else is pointless until you have some relevant clue to a real threat. But just as a reminder: we know that animal-based meat is unhealthy and can cause cancer. Still legal to sell, because at the level of normal consumption, it doesn't matter.

thefz 3y ago
> This is a very loaded and pointless question. Except that humans have been consuming animal meat since day zero. Lab grown, not so much.
- PurpleRamen 3y ago
  The question was about plant-based, not artificial animal-meat from a lab.
- asadotzler 3y ago
  And humans have been eating plant based meals just as long or longer. Lab grown isn't topical for this sub thread.
xinayder 3y ago
> conclusive proof that animal-based meat is safe they have nutrients that our body requires, which are a lot harder to replace with plant-based alternatives
laylower 3y ago
I am all for alternatives but they need to be tested properly. I think you are letting emotion take away reason. "They are tested enough to say that they won't kill you immediately" so the pass test is eating something and not dropping dead? "we know that animal-based meat is unhealthy and can cause cancer". A large study and a study of studies published last month showed that the claim that red mean can cause cancer is incorrect. And, in any case, if you read my original comment you will see that I specify that plant-based meat should be shown to be "at least as safe" as actual meat.
- PurpleRamen 3y ago
  > I think you are letting emotion take away reason. I could say the same for you. > so the pass test is eating something and not dropping dead? Basically yes, that's how all industry has always been working. In reality, it's of course a bit more complicated. But if you don't die from something today, then nobody can say why you died in 20 years because of something did today. > A large study and a study of studies published last month showed that the claim that red mean can cause cancer is incorrect. Source? But I doubt this is relevant. This is an endless circle of claims from all side with many different perspectives. > I specify that plant-based meat should be shown to be "at least as safe" as actual meat. Yes, and it's still up to you to prove that there can be unsafe. Plant-based products are nothing new. If you have a problem with them, find some better claim then your gut-feeling.

footy 3y ago

The problem with this is that "unambiguous, conclusive proof" is an ill-defined benchmark. That's before getting into the question of food allergies or intolerances. I stopped eating meat 8 or so years ago, and I love seitan, but that would be wildly unhealthy for a person with a gluten allergy to consume. On the other hand my meat eating sister is allergic to chicken, and has been told by her doctor to cut down on red meat, so seitan is safer for her than animal products.