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It's from the article, "Smartphone apps, as led by Apple: “all the information in apps – that data is not crawlable by web crawlers. You can’t search it”" When

It's from the article, "Smartphone apps, as led by Apple: “all the information in apps – that data is not crawlable by web crawlers. You can’t search it”" When you run the second biggest app market in the world it makes you sound like just a bit of a hypocrite. And my issue with WebM/WebP is that Google just seems to release these standards with a complete disregard for what the rest of the industry is doing or has done. True openness happens when you have established open standards that everyone uses.

magicalist 15y ago
> It's from the article, "Smartphone apps, as led by Apple: “all the information in apps – that data is not crawlable by web crawlers. You can’t search it”" He didn't say that though. It seems like Wired added the Apple part. The only quote in the Guardian article (which I don't think includes the full interview, unless I'm missing the link), just says '"There's a lot to be lost," he said. "For example, all the information in apps – that data is not crawlable by web crawlers. You can't search it."' Which in most cases is a true statement. > And my issue with WebM/WebP is that Google just seems to release these standards with a complete disregard for what the rest of the industry is doing or has done. You only see the "established open standards that everyone uses" when you ignore the long painful sausage-making process.
- rimantas 15y ago
  > "For example, all the information in apps – that data is > not crawlable by web crawlers. You can't search it."' > Which in most cases is a true statement. Is it? Not crawlable does not mean non searchable. Google cannot crawl my messages too (I hope so!), but I can search in them.
  - magicalist 15y ago
    Yes, and private messages should remain private (and hopefully searchable). Balkanized data isn't necessarily bad, and there are lots of shades of grey there. As two examples, though, if the only way to search Twitter is Twitter, and Twitter won't let you search for tweets older than a week or two, then you're out of luck. More hypothetically, if most people used Wordpress for blogging for the last 15 years, and Wordpress didn't allow indexing by search engines, but only searching on Wordpress.com, we would not have the internet we have today.
fpgeek 15y ago
"You can't search it" isn't entirely true for Android apps. Android has had a pluggable search framework for quite some time (I think since 1.x, but I'm not 100% sure about that). It is straightforward for apps to respond to searches on your phone and some do, though like some of Android's other extension points, more should.

magicalist 15y ago

> It's from the article, "Smartphone apps, as led by Apple: “all the information in apps – that data is not crawlable by web crawlers. You can’t search it”" He didn't say that though. It seems like Wired added the Apple part. The only quote in the Guardian article (which I don't think includes the full interview, unless I'm missing the link), just says '"There's a lot to be lost," he said. "For example, all the information in apps – that data is not crawlable by web crawlers. You can't search it."' Which in most cases is a true statement. > And my issue with WebM/WebP is that Google just seems to release these standards with a complete disregard for what the rest of the industry is doing or has done. You only see the "established open standards that everyone uses" when you ignore the long painful sausage-making process.

rimantas 15y ago
> "For example, all the information in apps – that data is > not crawlable by web crawlers. You can't search it."' > Which in most cases is a true statement. Is it? Not crawlable does not mean non searchable. Google cannot crawl my messages too (I hope so!), but I can search in them.
- magicalist 15y ago
  Yes, and private messages should remain private (and hopefully searchable). Balkanized data isn't necessarily bad, and there are lots of shades of grey there. As two examples, though, if the only way to search Twitter is Twitter, and Twitter won't let you search for tweets older than a week or two, then you're out of luck. More hypothetically, if most people used Wordpress for blogging for the last 15 years, and Wordpress didn't allow indexing by search engines, but only searching on Wordpress.com, we would not have the internet we have today.

fpgeek 15y ago

"You can't search it" isn't entirely true for Android apps. Android has had a pluggable search framework for quite some time (I think since 1.x, but I'm not 100% sure about that). It is straightforward for apps to respond to searches on your phone and some do, though like some of Android's other extension points, more should.