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As an Italian, I despise them as any other reasonable person. But this decision is not unreasonable. Let the World eat it so we can gather data. We are Italia

As an Italian, I despise them as any other reasonable person. But this decision is not unreasonable. Let the World eat it so we can gather data. We are Italians, we've never been early adopters of anything coming from outside our borders. Especially food wise and except mobile phones. It is also not unreasonable to label things for what they really are. Almond juice is not milk as in "the white liquid food produced by the mammary glands of mammals" and plant based meat substitutes are not a steak or a burger, they are vegetable patties.

bryanlarsen 3y ago
The use of "milk" for other things far predates almond milk. cf: milk of magnesium, milk of ambrosia, various plant saps called "milk", etc.
- peoplefromibiza 3y ago
  > milk of ambrosia in the original story of Amrita there was a sea of real milk involved. > plant saps called "milk" like coconut milk or oat milk of course. That doesn't mean it's not juice and that the name stayed for historical reasons. And because they actually look like milk. Almond juice doesn't look like milk, unless processed. That's why I mentioned almond milk in the first place.
- underseacables 3y ago
  milk of is key. Not Coconut Milk. Call it milk of Coconut. Either way it's not milk, just a thickened beverage desperately trying to mimic milk.
  - bryanlarsen 3y ago
    It's been called Coconut Milk since at least 1698. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coconut%20milk https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coconut%20milk
  - bryanlarsen 3y ago
    "Almond milk" is referenced in the 1390 book "The Forme of Cury"
philipov 3y ago
I thought Italy was responsible for introducing the rest of Europe to all sorts of goods coming across the silk road for the first time. Italy was the most important center of trade in Europe for a long time.
- peoplefromibiza 3y ago
  > to goods like tea and coffee coffee and tea came to Europe through Ottoman Empire. > other new goods coming across the silk road Marco Polo went through the silk road, but Italy did not invent it. The silk road went from China to the actual Crimea.
  - bakuninsbart 3y ago
    For quite a while, Venice had exclusive trading rights with the ottoman empire. Even before, Italian traders were dominating trade coming into Europe.
drakonka 3y ago
"Burger" is not a meat-specific term. It's simply two usually round bread patties with some other savory ingredient placed between them. I wonder how long it will take Italy to make coconut milk producers/distributors to rename their products to "coconut juice".
- peoplefromibiza 3y ago
  > "Burger" is not a meat-specific term. that's because you're talking about English, In Italian it absolutely is, we do not call them burgers but hamburger which means a patty of meat between two slices of bread or in a sliced bun. Or just the patty of meat. But being made of meat is the most important part.
- underseacables 3y ago
  It's not milk.. it's usually a thickened liquid that works really hard to resemble milk, but it's not milk..
  - drakonka 3y ago
    I'm not sure if you left your reply on the wrong comment by mistake since it doesn't seem to directly relate to anything I said?
xinayder 3y ago
Imagine having a traditional Bologna prosciutto crudo made from plant it's not prosciutto crudo, it's a vegetable thing. I agree with this ban that meat terms should be used for meat and not vegan alternatives. And as others pointed out, Italy is not only known for pizza, pasta and their wines, their meat is also protected in the same way their wine is. This has a side-effect of ensuring the traditional meat products will remain meat-based.
- Ekaros 3y ago
  Protected foods are big thing in Italy. Also consider cheeses like Parmigiano Reggiano and Pecorino Romano. For extended list see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PDO_products_by_country#Italy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PDO_products_by_countr... I don't think many customers would accept paying the premium for synthetic or vegan cheeses...

bryanlarsen 3y ago

The use of "milk" for other things far predates almond milk. cf: milk of magnesium, milk of ambrosia, various plant saps called "milk", etc.

peoplefromibiza 3y ago
> milk of ambrosia in the original story of Amrita there was a sea of real milk involved. > plant saps called "milk" like coconut milk or oat milk of course. That doesn't mean it's not juice and that the name stayed for historical reasons. And because they actually look like milk. Almond juice doesn't look like milk, unless processed. That's why I mentioned almond milk in the first place.
underseacables 3y ago
milk of is key. Not Coconut Milk. Call it milk of Coconut. Either way it's not milk, just a thickened beverage desperately trying to mimic milk.
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  It's been called Coconut Milk since at least 1698. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coconut%20milk https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coconut%20milk
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  "Almond milk" is referenced in the 1390 book "The Forme of Cury"

philipov 3y ago

I thought Italy was responsible for introducing the rest of Europe to all sorts of goods coming across the silk road for the first time. Italy was the most important center of trade in Europe for a long time.

peoplefromibiza 3y ago
> to goods like tea and coffee coffee and tea came to Europe through Ottoman Empire. > other new goods coming across the silk road Marco Polo went through the silk road, but Italy did not invent it. The silk road went from China to the actual Crimea.
- bakuninsbart 3y ago
  For quite a while, Venice had exclusive trading rights with the ottoman empire. Even before, Italian traders were dominating trade coming into Europe.

drakonka 3y ago

"Burger" is not a meat-specific term. It's simply two usually round bread patties with some other savory ingredient placed between them. I wonder how long it will take Italy to make coconut milk producers/distributors to rename their products to "coconut juice".

peoplefromibiza 3y ago
> "Burger" is not a meat-specific term. that's because you're talking about English, In Italian it absolutely is, we do not call them burgers but hamburger which means a patty of meat between two slices of bread or in a sliced bun. Or just the patty of meat. But being made of meat is the most important part.
underseacables 3y ago
It's not milk.. it's usually a thickened liquid that works really hard to resemble milk, but it's not milk..
- drakonka 3y ago
  I'm not sure if you left your reply on the wrong comment by mistake since it doesn't seem to directly relate to anything I said?

xinayder 3y ago

Imagine having a traditional Bologna prosciutto crudo made from plant it's not prosciutto crudo, it's a vegetable thing. I agree with this ban that meat terms should be used for meat and not vegan alternatives. And as others pointed out, Italy is not only known for pizza, pasta and their wines, their meat is also protected in the same way their wine is. This has a side-effect of ensuring the traditional meat products will remain meat-based.

Ekaros 3y ago
Protected foods are big thing in Italy. Also consider cheeses like Parmigiano Reggiano and Pecorino Romano. For extended list see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PDO_products_by_country#Italy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PDO_products_by_countr... I don't think many customers would accept paying the premium for synthetic or vegan cheeses...