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Seems stupid. As long as its safe, people should be able to eat it if they want. > The measure also prohibits the use of meat-related terms, like ‘salami’ or ‘

Seems stupid. As long as its safe, people should be able to eat it if they want. > The measure also prohibits the use of meat-related terms, like ‘salami’ or ‘steak’, for plant-based meat substitutes Im actually ok with this. Vegetarian food should stop pretending to be something its not and be willing to stand on its own feet as what it is.

preisschild 3y ago
Agreed 100%. Plant-based meat is not the same as normal meat at all. Synthetic meat is the same though.
game_the0ry 3y ago
> Im actually ok with this. Vegetarian food should stop pretending to be something its not and be willing to stand on its own feet as what it is. I concur -- food labels should be accurate, not deceptive. Food industry does not have a lot of credibility at the moment, and deceptive labelling wont help with that.
dfxm12 3y ago
When you look at steak in m-w, you might be surprised to learn that one of the definitions for steak is: a thick slice or piece of a non-meat food especially when prepared or served in the manner of a beef steak. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/steak https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/steak
- xinayder 3y ago
  When was this entry added? Pretty sure they added this definition because they were pressured by vegan groups to include a non-meat definition. Steak is historically meat based, nothing will change that. A plant-based steak is not a steak.
  - thiht 3y ago
    Dictionaries add definitions based on common usage, and in common usage, « xxx steak » can definitely refer to a plant based steak. If I say « soy steak », you definitely know what it refers to, and it’s not ambiguous with « steak » alone. Same with coconut milk, would you be confused with cow milk with some coconut bits in it? No.
- vergessenmir 3y ago
  I'm not sure looking at the dictionary helps your argument since The OED, Collins and the Etymology dictionaries state the meat definition as the primary and some don't even have the more modern variations. Also, shouldn't you be looking at the Italian dictionary. I think there is a very heavy cultural slant to this that you're ignoring that is informed by the inflexibility of non-english languages.
chfalck 3y ago
“Meat-related” is the kicker for me. It’s not like they’re saying, “this is steak”. They’re saying, “this is intended to imitate the texture and flavor you may expect from steak”. As a person making efforts to become vegetarian, this is very useful information for me. I’m not becoming vegetarian because I think meat tastes bad. Steaks are absolutely delicious. The problem is I feel guilt when I eat it now because I can’t shut out the process by which it arrived on my plate. Having hints about what a vegetarian option is attempting to emulate (since I would eat those things if there was a humane way to do so) should not be considered malicious behavior.

preisschild 3y ago

Agreed 100%. Plant-based meat is not the same as normal meat at all. Synthetic meat is the same though.

game_the0ry 3y ago

> Im actually ok with this. Vegetarian food should stop pretending to be something its not and be willing to stand on its own feet as what it is. I concur -- food labels should be accurate, not deceptive. Food industry does not have a lot of credibility at the moment, and deceptive labelling wont help with that.

dfxm12 3y ago

When you look at steak in m-w, you might be surprised to learn that one of the definitions for steak is: a thick slice or piece of a non-meat food especially when prepared or served in the manner of a beef steak. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/steak https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/steak

xinayder 3y ago
When was this entry added? Pretty sure they added this definition because they were pressured by vegan groups to include a non-meat definition. Steak is historically meat based, nothing will change that. A plant-based steak is not a steak.
- thiht 3y ago
  Dictionaries add definitions based on common usage, and in common usage, « xxx steak » can definitely refer to a plant based steak. If I say « soy steak », you definitely know what it refers to, and it’s not ambiguous with « steak » alone. Same with coconut milk, would you be confused with cow milk with some coconut bits in it? No.
vergessenmir 3y ago
I'm not sure looking at the dictionary helps your argument since The OED, Collins and the Etymology dictionaries state the meat definition as the primary and some don't even have the more modern variations. Also, shouldn't you be looking at the Italian dictionary. I think there is a very heavy cultural slant to this that you're ignoring that is informed by the inflexibility of non-english languages.

chfalck 3y ago

“Meat-related” is the kicker for me. It’s not like they’re saying, “this is steak”. They’re saying, “this is intended to imitate the texture and flavor you may expect from steak”. As a person making efforts to become vegetarian, this is very useful information for me. I’m not becoming vegetarian because I think meat tastes bad. Steaks are absolutely delicious. The problem is I feel guilt when I eat it now because I can’t shut out the process by which it arrived on my plate. Having hints about what a vegetarian option is attempting to emulate (since I would eat those things if there was a humane way to do so) should not be considered malicious behavior.