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The left scroll wheel can: play/pause/next/previous/vol up/down in Normal mode If you press the wiper button on the steering wheel it can change wiper speed L

by mavhc 3y ago

The left scroll wheel can: play/pause/next/previous/vol up/down in Normal mode If you press the wiper button on the steering wheel it can change wiper speed Long press is a custom function When there's a call it answers/declines, mute/unmute, and ends a call The right one actives autosteer/tacc/fsd, adjusts follow distance and max speed There's 3 buttons for left/right/high beam on the left, and on the right, buttons for wiper mode, voice, rear camera, and in the middle, horn. Not sure I need a button for steering wheel tilt, should only be when stopped. Also do I change gear so often I need a dedicated stalk? It's not a manual car. Direction/park is only done when stopped too. Does voice control not work for defrost? I'd rather have a cheaper car with less parts

dmix 3y ago
Yeah I’ve always been suspect of these critiques of Teslas UI. Besides the climate control you don’t really need to tap on the tablet for anything critical to driving WHILE driving. At least that was my experience in my brief experience with a 3. I’d still add maybe another physical dial for stuff like climate, maybe even make them programmable. But that’s for convenience. I find the rare times you need to use xdrive on BMWs which is a physical dial + a few buttons just as distracting as using a tablet while driving.
- m463 3y ago
  defrost is the big one with me. not only is it on the touchscreen, it doesn't have a dedicated location, is hard to locate visually, then hard to hard to actually press (small target), all in a moving car and without affecting other controls. also, turn on cabin lights? flash headlights off and on? sigh.
withinboredom 3y ago
> When there's a call it answers/declines, mute/unmute, and ends a call Literally do not care about a phone call when it is raining. Hopefully, it at least has coyote time on it so when you adjust the wiper speed it will ignore a phone call. > Not sure I need a button for steering wheel tilt, should only be when stopped. I've had to adjust while driving. I don't remember for what reason, but I know I've had to do it a few times in my hundreds of thousands of miles of driving. > do I change gear so often I need a dedicated stalk? It's not a manual car. Direction/park is only done when stopped too. When you need it, you need it. I was once driving towards a non-gated, non-indicated railroad crossing in my hometown. There was only a train about once a day that went through there, but that day, there was a train that should not have been there. I slammed on the brakes, pulled the emergency brake, and threw the car into park. I stopped with less than an inch between me and the train. I also destroyed my transmission by putting it in park at high speed. Worth it.
- leetcrew 3y ago
  > I also destroyed my transmission by putting it in park at high speed. Worth it. absolutely not worth it. modern cars (ie, anything with abs and disk brakes) achieve maximum deceleration when you mash the brake pedal and allow the car to modulate the clamping force. using the emergency brake and putting the car in park just locks up the wheels. the whole point of abs is to avoid this. you destroyed your transmission to increase your stopping distance.
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    This was most certainly not anywhere near a modern car. Further, it was a gravel road, which is a case where I'm not sure ABS brakes work better, but I could be wrong.
    - leetcrew 3y ago
      the first key insight here is that brakes can generate much more friction against the wheel than the tire can against any surface you're driving on. this makes the tires the limiting factor for stopping distance, not the brakes. the only exceptions to this rule are very old (like pre-1980s) cars, cars that desperately need new brake pads, and brakes that have overheated from heavy use on a track or riding them down a long hill. the second key insight is that tires generate the most friction when they are allowed to slip only a small amount. different surfaces have different optimal slip amounts, but you never want to lock up the wheels completely. gravel does make a difference here. abs is typically tuned for optimal performance on pavement, so it's at least theoretically possible for a skilled human driver to outperform older abs implementations on gravel. the average driver panic stopping is very unlikely to beat abs though. being a lower traction surface, it's also much easier to lock up the wheels on gravel. there's no reason to use the ebrake and especially not to force the transmission into park unless you know for a fact that the main brake pads are failing. I'm sorry to completely beat you over the head with this explanation, but what you describe is extremely unsafe and I really hope no one reads that and tries it themselves in an emergency. the emergency stop SOP for any abs-equipped car is 1) fully depress the brake pedal, 2) focus on steering the car away from the immediate hazard or at least in a relatively straight line.
eadmund 3y ago
My God, they’ve finally made Marcus J. Ranum’s comment reality: ‘If the designers of X-Windows built cars, there would be no fewer than five steering wheels hidden about the cockpit, none of which followed the same principles — but you’d be able to shift gears with your car stereo. Useful feature, that.’
- immibis 3y ago
  they even call it X!

by mavhc 3y ago

dmix 3y ago

Yeah I’ve always been suspect of these critiques of Teslas UI. Besides the climate control you don’t really need to tap on the tablet for anything critical to driving WHILE driving. At least that was my experience in my brief experience with a 3. I’d still add maybe another physical dial for stuff like climate, maybe even make them programmable. But that’s for convenience. I find the rare times you need to use xdrive on BMWs which is a physical dial + a few buttons just as distracting as using a tablet while driving.

m463 3y ago
defrost is the big one with me. not only is it on the touchscreen, it doesn't have a dedicated location, is hard to locate visually, then hard to hard to actually press (small target), all in a moving car and without affecting other controls. also, turn on cabin lights? flash headlights off and on? sigh.

withinboredom 3y ago

> When there's a call it answers/declines, mute/unmute, and ends a call Literally do not care about a phone call when it is raining. Hopefully, it at least has coyote time on it so when you adjust the wiper speed it will ignore a phone call. > Not sure I need a button for steering wheel tilt, should only be when stopped. I've had to adjust while driving. I don't remember for what reason, but I know I've had to do it a few times in my hundreds of thousands of miles of driving. > do I change gear so often I need a dedicated stalk? It's not a manual car. Direction/park is only done when stopped too. When you need it, you need it. I was once driving towards a non-gated, non-indicated railroad crossing in my hometown. There was only a train about once a day that went through there, but that day, there was a train that should not have been there. I slammed on the brakes, pulled the emergency brake, and threw the car into park. I stopped with less than an inch between me and the train. I also destroyed my transmission by putting it in park at high speed. Worth it.

leetcrew 3y ago
> I also destroyed my transmission by putting it in park at high speed. Worth it. absolutely not worth it. modern cars (ie, anything with abs and disk brakes) achieve maximum deceleration when you mash the brake pedal and allow the car to modulate the clamping force. using the emergency brake and putting the car in park just locks up the wheels. the whole point of abs is to avoid this. you destroyed your transmission to increase your stopping distance.
- withinboredom 3y ago
  This was most certainly not anywhere near a modern car. Further, it was a gravel road, which is a case where I'm not sure ABS brakes work better, but I could be wrong.
  - leetcrew 3y ago
    the first key insight here is that brakes can generate much more friction against the wheel than the tire can against any surface you're driving on. this makes the tires the limiting factor for stopping distance, not the brakes. the only exceptions to this rule are very old (like pre-1980s) cars, cars that desperately need new brake pads, and brakes that have overheated from heavy use on a track or riding them down a long hill. the second key insight is that tires generate the most friction when they are allowed to slip only a small amount. different surfaces have different optimal slip amounts, but you never want to lock up the wheels completely. gravel does make a difference here. abs is typically tuned for optimal performance on pavement, so it's at least theoretically possible for a skilled human driver to outperform older abs implementations on gravel. the average driver panic stopping is very unlikely to beat abs though. being a lower traction surface, it's also much easier to lock up the wheels on gravel. there's no reason to use the ebrake and especially not to force the transmission into park unless you know for a fact that the main brake pads are failing. I'm sorry to completely beat you over the head with this explanation, but what you describe is extremely unsafe and I really hope no one reads that and tries it themselves in an emergency. the emergency stop SOP for any abs-equipped car is 1) fully depress the brake pedal, 2) focus on steering the car away from the immediate hazard or at least in a relatively straight line.

eadmund 3y ago

My God, they’ve finally made Marcus J. Ranum’s comment reality: ‘If the designers of X-Windows built cars, there would be no fewer than five steering wheels hidden about the cockpit, none of which followed the same principles — but you’d be able to shift gears with your car stereo. Useful feature, that.’

immibis 3y ago
they even call it X!