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russian soldiers are evil nazis, not normal people. Most of the russian population supports the invasion, destruction of Ukrainian cities and killing of Ukraini

russian soldiers are evil nazis, not normal people. Most of the russian population supports the invasion, destruction of Ukrainian cities and killing of Ukrainian children.

brabel 3y ago
And where did you learn that? My wife is Ukrainian and knows lot of Russians and Belarussians (they're neighbours after all, and no they don't all hate each other!!), they watch each other TV shows and like mostly the same singers (they understand each other pretty well)... a lot of the biggest Ukrainian singers go to live and work in Russia (though obviously they're now being criticized heavily in Ukraine when they choose to stay). You don't seem to have any idea what you're talking about.
- klibertp 3y ago
  Don't bother. Seriously. You won't convince anyone irrational enough to generalize hundreds of thousands of people into "russian soldiers are evil nazis, not normal people" with rational arguments. The only way to convince such people (that peace is better than killing) is to subject them to long-term, consistent propaganda, but... The only forces capable of doing that are interested in pretty much exactly the opposite outcome. War is bad. Killing people, whoever they are, is wrong - and all people are just regular humans. There are no monsters, no "evil nazis" in reality, outside of fiction and propaganda. However, understanding that takes effort, and runs counter to many of the incentives built into human psychology. Like you, I believe there's "a lot more to the story." I feel so helpless, knowing that I have no choice but to sit and watch all the atrocities happening all around the world because almost nobody is interested in stopping them. People who happily support the killing (of the "other side" only, of course) are the biggest reason this keeps happening. Since they're impossible to convince, these things are bound to continue.
  - dataworm 3y ago
    There really isn't more to the story. russia has been oppressing and killing Ukrainians since the creation of the russian empire. They have only stopped for a brief period after the fall of the USSR. You are claiming there are no nazis. So Nazi Germany was fiction? russians are nazis, just look on the internet. Monsters do exist - war criminals, mass murderers, brutal dictators. Not all people are regular humans and some need to be punished for their evil actions. Where did you get this unicorns pooping rainbows bullshit? russians, not Ukrainians started this war and happily support the killing of the other side. They are the reason this keeps happening.
    - klibertp 3y ago
      > Where did you get this unicorns pooping rainbows bullshit? It's called "humanism," and it's not bullshit. It mostly says that killing people is wrong. Of course, you think otherwise, so it might seem like bullshit to you. EDIT: > So Nazi Germany was fiction? No. The notion that all soldiers fighting on the Germany side in WW2 were monsters is, however. If the world subscribed to your ideology, there'd be a catacomb of millions buried under Nurnberg (there's no such thing, if you wondered).
      - dataworm 3y ago
        > The notion that all soldiers fighting on the Germany side in WW2 were monsters is, however. If the world subscribed to your ideology, there'd be a catacomb of millions buried under Nurnberg (there's no such thing, if you wondered). Where did I say that all soldiers fighting for Germany in WW2 were monsters? I invoked Nazi Germany because you said there are no nazis and monsters and everyone is a regular human.
        klibertp 3y ago
        Somehow, not all soldiers fighting for Germany were monsters, but > russian soldiers are evil nazis, not normal people. Russian soldiers are. These are your words from upthread. Why is Russian army staffed by "evil nazis" exclusively, while actual Nazi army... wasn't?
- dataworm 3y ago
  If you read any news in Ukraine you would know that. I'm Ukrainian and everyone in Ukraine who isn't a russian supporter shares my opinion. Some Ukrainian singers live and work in russia, most stopped going there after 2014, even more after 2022. It's you who doesn't seem to have any idea what you're talking about. Ukrainians and russians do hate each other now. russians celebrate the killing of Ukrainian civillians, and almost every Ukrainian hates them. Belarussians are different, most of the don't support russia and lukashenko.
  - brabel 3y ago
    > I'm Ukrainian and everyone in Ukraine who isn't a russian supporter shares my opinion. When you say "everyone supports my opinions" you're basically denying people their own voice - I am in touch with Ukrainians and what you say is plain wrong - you don't need to be in Ukraine to know that. Seriously, your opinions are the kind of opinions people in the West generally view as signs of dicatorship and actually associate with Nazis and fascism. You believe your opinions are right, everyone who is not "a russian supporter" shares them with you, and that ALL russians are nazis - when will you realize you are the problem, not the imaginary nazis both Ukrainians and Russians keep blaming everything on?
    - dataworm 3y ago
      Stop making stuff up, just because your wife doesn't hate russians doesn't mean that all Ukrainians don't. > When you say "everyone supports my opinions" you're basically denying people their own voice - I am in touch with Ukrainians and what you say is plain wrong - you don't need to be in Ukraine to know that. Seriously, your opinions are the kind of opinions people in the West generally view as signs of dicatorship and actually associate with Nazis and fascism. I said that everyone in Ukraine supports my opinions, because I, unlike you, know what's going on in Ukraine. You have no clue about Ukraine or the opinions of Ukrainians. Some Ukrainians have relatives in russia, many have cut ties with them. I'm not denying people their own voice, just saying that almost all Ukrainians hate russians, which you would know if you lived in Ukraine. > You believe your opinions are right, everyone who is not "a russian supporter" shares them with you, and that ALL russians are nazis - when will you realize you are the problem, not the imaginary nazis both Ukrainians and Russians keep blaming everything on? Who doesn't believe their opinions are right? Even if you don't, that doesn't make me 'the problem'. Why the quotes around russia supporter? A very small part of Ukrainians support russia, some even collaborate with them. I'm not claiming that everyone that doesn't share my opinions is a russia supporter, just saying that every Ukrainian that isn't a russia supporter hates russians because of the oppression and murder of Ukrainians by russia for many centuries and the war raging right now. There is nothing fascist about stating the facts. Where did I say that ALL russians are nazis? I said that only about russian soldiers. How am I the problem? Did I invade Ukraine? Did I kill tens to hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians? Did I commit horrific war crimes? I haven't done anything to blame me for the war. Ukrainians, unlike russians, don't blame anything on 'imaginary' nazis. They blame the war on the russians. The russians support the invasion, as they supported the war in Georgia, occupation of Crimea and the war in Donbass. russia is a fascist dictatorship, you need to be a brainwashed russian supporter to disagree with that.

russian soldiers are evil nazis, not normal people. Most of the russian population supports the invasion, destruction of Ukrainian cities and killing of Ukrainian children.

brabel 3y ago

And where did you learn that? My wife is Ukrainian and knows lot of Russians and Belarussians (they're neighbours after all, and no they don't all hate each other!!), they watch each other TV shows and like mostly the same singers (they understand each other pretty well)... a lot of the biggest Ukrainian singers go to live and work in Russia (though obviously they're now being criticized heavily in Ukraine when they choose to stay). You don't seem to have any idea what you're talking about.

klibertp 3y ago
Don't bother. Seriously. You won't convince anyone irrational enough to generalize hundreds of thousands of people into "russian soldiers are evil nazis, not normal people" with rational arguments. The only way to convince such people (that peace is better than killing) is to subject them to long-term, consistent propaganda, but... The only forces capable of doing that are interested in pretty much exactly the opposite outcome. War is bad. Killing people, whoever they are, is wrong - and all people are just regular humans. There are no monsters, no "evil nazis" in reality, outside of fiction and propaganda. However, understanding that takes effort, and runs counter to many of the incentives built into human psychology. Like you, I believe there's "a lot more to the story." I feel so helpless, knowing that I have no choice but to sit and watch all the atrocities happening all around the world because almost nobody is interested in stopping them. People who happily support the killing (of the "other side" only, of course) are the biggest reason this keeps happening. Since they're impossible to convince, these things are bound to continue.
- dataworm 3y ago
  There really isn't more to the story. russia has been oppressing and killing Ukrainians since the creation of the russian empire. They have only stopped for a brief period after the fall of the USSR. You are claiming there are no nazis. So Nazi Germany was fiction? russians are nazis, just look on the internet. Monsters do exist - war criminals, mass murderers, brutal dictators. Not all people are regular humans and some need to be punished for their evil actions. Where did you get this unicorns pooping rainbows bullshit? russians, not Ukrainians started this war and happily support the killing of the other side. They are the reason this keeps happening.
  - klibertp 3y ago
    > Where did you get this unicorns pooping rainbows bullshit? It's called "humanism," and it's not bullshit. It mostly says that killing people is wrong. Of course, you think otherwise, so it might seem like bullshit to you. EDIT: > So Nazi Germany was fiction? No. The notion that all soldiers fighting on the Germany side in WW2 were monsters is, however. If the world subscribed to your ideology, there'd be a catacomb of millions buried under Nurnberg (there's no such thing, if you wondered).
    - dataworm 3y ago
      > The notion that all soldiers fighting on the Germany side in WW2 were monsters is, however. If the world subscribed to your ideology, there'd be a catacomb of millions buried under Nurnberg (there's no such thing, if you wondered). Where did I say that all soldiers fighting for Germany in WW2 were monsters? I invoked Nazi Germany because you said there are no nazis and monsters and everyone is a regular human.
      - klibertp 3y ago
        Somehow, not all soldiers fighting for Germany were monsters, but > russian soldiers are evil nazis, not normal people. Russian soldiers are. These are your words from upthread. Why is Russian army staffed by "evil nazis" exclusively, while actual Nazi army... wasn't?
dataworm 3y ago
If you read any news in Ukraine you would know that. I'm Ukrainian and everyone in Ukraine who isn't a russian supporter shares my opinion. Some Ukrainian singers live and work in russia, most stopped going there after 2014, even more after 2022. It's you who doesn't seem to have any idea what you're talking about. Ukrainians and russians do hate each other now. russians celebrate the killing of Ukrainian civillians, and almost every Ukrainian hates them. Belarussians are different, most of the don't support russia and lukashenko.
- brabel 3y ago
  > I'm Ukrainian and everyone in Ukraine who isn't a russian supporter shares my opinion. When you say "everyone supports my opinions" you're basically denying people their own voice - I am in touch with Ukrainians and what you say is plain wrong - you don't need to be in Ukraine to know that. Seriously, your opinions are the kind of opinions people in the West generally view as signs of dicatorship and actually associate with Nazis and fascism. You believe your opinions are right, everyone who is not "a russian supporter" shares them with you, and that ALL russians are nazis - when will you realize you are the problem, not the imaginary nazis both Ukrainians and Russians keep blaming everything on?
  - dataworm 3y ago
    Stop making stuff up, just because your wife doesn't hate russians doesn't mean that all Ukrainians don't. > When you say "everyone supports my opinions" you're basically denying people their own voice - I am in touch with Ukrainians and what you say is plain wrong - you don't need to be in Ukraine to know that. Seriously, your opinions are the kind of opinions people in the West generally view as signs of dicatorship and actually associate with Nazis and fascism. I said that everyone in Ukraine supports my opinions, because I, unlike you, know what's going on in Ukraine. You have no clue about Ukraine or the opinions of Ukrainians. Some Ukrainians have relatives in russia, many have cut ties with them. I'm not denying people their own voice, just saying that almost all Ukrainians hate russians, which you would know if you lived in Ukraine. > You believe your opinions are right, everyone who is not "a russian supporter" shares them with you, and that ALL russians are nazis - when will you realize you are the problem, not the imaginary nazis both Ukrainians and Russians keep blaming everything on? Who doesn't believe their opinions are right? Even if you don't, that doesn't make me 'the problem'. Why the quotes around russia supporter? A very small part of Ukrainians support russia, some even collaborate with them. I'm not claiming that everyone that doesn't share my opinions is a russia supporter, just saying that every Ukrainian that isn't a russia supporter hates russians because of the oppression and murder of Ukrainians by russia for many centuries and the war raging right now. There is nothing fascist about stating the facts. Where did I say that ALL russians are nazis? I said that only about russian soldiers. How am I the problem? Did I invade Ukraine? Did I kill tens to hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians? Did I commit horrific war crimes? I haven't done anything to blame me for the war. Ukrainians, unlike russians, don't blame anything on 'imaginary' nazis. They blame the war on the russians. The russians support the invasion, as they supported the war in Georgia, occupation of Crimea and the war in Donbass. russia is a fascist dictatorship, you need to be a brainwashed russian supporter to disagree with that.