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Definitely! Why can't I buy $100 worth of stock in a startup along with 1000's of other people? Some SEC rules or something? EDIT: Then imagine how motivated

by pkh80 14y ago

Definitely! Why can't I buy $100 worth of stock in a startup along with 1000's of other people? Some SEC rules or something? EDIT: Then imagine how motivated those 1000's of others would be to promote a startup they owned a stake in.

unimpressive 14y ago
Not sure if that's tongue in cheek or not... But that was part of the recent JOBS act. You'll be able to do that soon for good or ill.
- sage_joch 14y ago
  Given that law, I wonder if there's going to be a land grab to become the kickstarter of startups. Should be fun to watch.
  - carguy1983 14y ago
    If this becomes legal, wouldn't kickstarter instantly be the kickstarter of startups?
    - dlf 14y ago
      They've said they're not interested in doing it, which is kind of surprising.
      - waterlesscloud 14y ago
        There will be substantial regulatory issues to deal with, so it's not too surprising they don't want to drag themselves into that. Better to maintain their focus.
        MrJagil 14y ago
        Well, that opens up the spot for a new startup.
  - dlf 14y ago
    Yeah, there's already startups waiting in the wings, which is interesting given that it'll be a solid year or more before regulations are formed around this. All we have now is an enabling act. As can be imagined, it takes time for regulatory agencies to iron out all of the details to put a body of regulations in place. I'm most interested in how they deal with the rights of these investors. Will they be able to demand to inspect books of startups they invested in? Will they have voting rights? It could get dicey, especially with unsophisticated investors.
olalonde 14y ago
I find it somewhat ironic that the same people who denounce the recent Instagram investment as an insider deal for a few priviledged people in the know tend to be the same people who oppose the democratization of angel investing.
ryanmerket 14y ago
Angel List is perfectly positioned to do just this.
alexsb92 14y ago
I was actually looking at doing something like this about a year ago, before I figured it was virtually impossible at the time. The idea did come out to me after seeing kickstarter a couple of times. I even remember that one of the names I was playing with was Bootstrap.it or something similar. My logic went along the same lines as your edit. People would not only be able to donate monetary funds, but then each company would have access to a network of different individuals, some of whom would be willing to help out with advice, or maybe if one was a lawyer, he'd help them get incorporated, that kind of stuff. Essentially it's because of SEC. First of all you have (had) the 500 limit for investors, so any fundraiser where only, let's say 400 people, could give money would be rather shitty. Then the other part was that if you wanted to invest in early stage startups, you have to be an accredited investor. That is you have to either make 200K a year for the last two years (or 300K together with a spouse) or have $1 million in the bank. So again, not too many people fill those requirements. In terms of companies that were still attempting this, http://www.profounder.com/ http://www.profounder.com/ is one of the bigger ones. They (sort of) made it work through some loopholes as far as I knew.

by pkh80 14y ago

unimpressive 14y ago

Not sure if that's tongue in cheek or not... But that was part of the recent JOBS act. You'll be able to do that soon for good or ill.

sage_joch 14y ago
Given that law, I wonder if there's going to be a land grab to become the kickstarter of startups. Should be fun to watch.
- carguy1983 14y ago
  If this becomes legal, wouldn't kickstarter instantly be the kickstarter of startups?
  - dlf 14y ago
    They've said they're not interested in doing it, which is kind of surprising.
    - waterlesscloud 14y ago
      There will be substantial regulatory issues to deal with, so it's not too surprising they don't want to drag themselves into that. Better to maintain their focus.
      - MrJagil 14y ago
        Well, that opens up the spot for a new startup.
- dlf 14y ago
  Yeah, there's already startups waiting in the wings, which is interesting given that it'll be a solid year or more before regulations are formed around this. All we have now is an enabling act. As can be imagined, it takes time for regulatory agencies to iron out all of the details to put a body of regulations in place. I'm most interested in how they deal with the rights of these investors. Will they be able to demand to inspect books of startups they invested in? Will they have voting rights? It could get dicey, especially with unsophisticated investors.

olalonde 14y ago

I find it somewhat ironic that the same people who denounce the recent Instagram investment as an insider deal for a few priviledged people in the know tend to be the same people who oppose the democratization of angel investing.

ryanmerket 14y ago

Angel List is perfectly positioned to do just this.

alexsb92 14y ago

I was actually looking at doing something like this about a year ago, before I figured it was virtually impossible at the time. The idea did come out to me after seeing kickstarter a couple of times. I even remember that one of the names I was playing with was Bootstrap.it or something similar. My logic went along the same lines as your edit. People would not only be able to donate monetary funds, but then each company would have access to a network of different individuals, some of whom would be willing to help out with advice, or maybe if one was a lawyer, he'd help them get incorporated, that kind of stuff. Essentially it's because of SEC. First of all you have (had) the 500 limit for investors, so any fundraiser where only, let's say 400 people, could give money would be rather shitty. Then the other part was that if you wanted to invest in early stage startups, you have to be an accredited investor. That is you have to either make 200K a year for the last two years (or 300K together with a spouse) or have $1 million in the bank. So again, not too many people fill those requirements. In terms of companies that were still attempting this, http://www.profounder.com/ http://www.profounder.com/ is one of the bigger ones. They (sort of) made it work through some loopholes as far as I knew.