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>> IP logs from a forum for programmers obtained by 404 Media I am more interested in what forums is turning over their IP logs to the media, what the privacy

>> IP logs from a forum for programmers obtained by 404 Media I am more interested in what forums is turning over their IP logs to the media, what the privacy policy was for that forum, and if other members of that forum know this is happening

paulgb 3y ago
If you create sockpuppets on a forum for the purpose of fraudulently establishing a fake identity to sell conference tickets, I don’t think you have an expectation of privacy with respect to server logs that establish that. Same as if you rob a bodega, you don’t expect privacy rights over the CCTV footage.
- thih9 3y ago
  > Same as if you rob a bodega, you don’t expect privacy rights over the CCTV footage. This comparison is inaccurate. The bodega wasn’t robbed. This is a media reporter asking a bodega for CCTV footage because they are investigating one of the customers.
  - jdiff 3y ago
    One of the customers who has been thrown out of the bodega and banned on multiple instances. At least one of which he came back after wearing a fake mustache.
- j16sdiz 3y ago
  I guess CCTV footage won't go to media either, or do they?
- veeti 3y ago
  This is absolutely not the case in many European locales. For instance, a gas station owner can be fined for infringing the privacy of a shoplifter by publishing CCTV footage [1]. [1] https://www-mtvuutiset-fi.translate.goog/artikkeli/huoltoasema-julkaisi-polttoainevarkaaksi-epaillyn-kuvan-ja-nimen-facebookissa-laitonta-totesi-hovioikeus-loukkasi-epaillyn-yksityisyytta/7648586?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-mtvuutiset-fi.translate.goog/artikkeli/huoltoase...
jsnell 3y ago
I believe the 404 article said it was lobste.rs.
pushcx 3y ago
Hi, I'm the forum admin who banned Sizovs for suckpuppeting a few years ago: https://lobste.rs/s/s67tjc/don_t_learn_too_many_things#c_nfnfvr https://lobste.rs/s/s67tjc/don_t_learn_too_many_things#c_nfn... I know this is pure whataboutism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism), but I don't have any duty to keep the secrets of sockpuppeting spammers; the forum privacy policy is short and unambiguous. No members have expressed concerns over me banning his accounts in 2019, in 2020 when he spammed us again, or me talking to 404 Media. As a responsible journalist, Sam Cole asked if I had evidence of his abuse and I pasted from my log, though I redacted the exact IP address.
- veeti 3y ago
  Your privacy policy or lack of thereof does not override the duties set to you by legislation such as GDPR.
  - fzeroracer 3y ago
    GDPR very specifically has a public interest/journalist exemption which would obviously fall under this scenario given that this was for the sake of uncovering fraud being committed by an individual.
    - eesmith 3y ago
      I believe this is the relevant text, from https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679 : > Member States law should reconcile the rules governing freedom of expression and information, including journalistic, academic, artistic and or literary expression with the right to the protection of personal data pursuant to this Regulation. The processing of personal data solely for journalistic purposes, ... should be subject to derogations or exemptions from certain provisions of this Regulation if necessary to reconcile the right to the protection of personal data with the right to freedom of expression and information, as enshrined in Article 11 of the Charter. .. In order to take account of the importance of the right to freedom of expression in every democratic society, it is necessary to interpret notions relating to that freedom, such as journalism, broadly.
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paulgb 3y ago

If you create sockpuppets on a forum for the purpose of fraudulently establishing a fake identity to sell conference tickets, I don’t think you have an expectation of privacy with respect to server logs that establish that. Same as if you rob a bodega, you don’t expect privacy rights over the CCTV footage.

thih9 3y ago
> Same as if you rob a bodega, you don’t expect privacy rights over the CCTV footage. This comparison is inaccurate. The bodega wasn’t robbed. This is a media reporter asking a bodega for CCTV footage because they are investigating one of the customers.
- jdiff 3y ago
  One of the customers who has been thrown out of the bodega and banned on multiple instances. At least one of which he came back after wearing a fake mustache.
j16sdiz 3y ago
I guess CCTV footage won't go to media either, or do they?
veeti 3y ago
This is absolutely not the case in many European locales. For instance, a gas station owner can be fined for infringing the privacy of a shoplifter by publishing CCTV footage [1]. [1] https://www-mtvuutiset-fi.translate.goog/artikkeli/huoltoasema-julkaisi-polttoainevarkaaksi-epaillyn-kuvan-ja-nimen-facebookissa-laitonta-totesi-hovioikeus-loukkasi-epaillyn-yksityisyytta/7648586?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-mtvuutiset-fi.translate.goog/artikkeli/huoltoase...

jsnell 3y ago

I believe the 404 article said it was lobste.rs.

pushcx 3y ago

Hi, I'm the forum admin who banned Sizovs for suckpuppeting a few years ago: https://lobste.rs/s/s67tjc/don_t_learn_too_many_things#c_nfnfvr https://lobste.rs/s/s67tjc/don_t_learn_too_many_things#c_nfn... I know this is pure whataboutism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism), but I don't have any duty to keep the secrets of sockpuppeting spammers; the forum privacy policy is short and unambiguous. No members have expressed concerns over me banning his accounts in 2019, in 2020 when he spammed us again, or me talking to 404 Media. As a responsible journalist, Sam Cole asked if I had evidence of his abuse and I pasted from my log, though I redacted the exact IP address.

veeti 3y ago
Your privacy policy or lack of thereof does not override the duties set to you by legislation such as GDPR.
- fzeroracer 3y ago
  GDPR very specifically has a public interest/journalist exemption which would obviously fall under this scenario given that this was for the sake of uncovering fraud being committed by an individual.
  - eesmith 3y ago
    I believe this is the relevant text, from https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679 : > Member States law should reconcile the rules governing freedom of expression and information, including journalistic, academic, artistic and or literary expression with the right to the protection of personal data pursuant to this Regulation. The processing of personal data solely for journalistic purposes, ... should be subject to derogations or exemptions from certain provisions of this Regulation if necessary to reconcile the right to the protection of personal data with the right to freedom of expression and information, as enshrined in Article 11 of the Charter. .. In order to take account of the importance of the right to freedom of expression in every democratic society, it is necessary to interpret notions relating to that freedom, such as journalism, broadly.

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