4 ms·

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster_(second_generation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster_(second_generat... Wikipedia has sources and more

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster_(second_generation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster_(second_generat... Wikipedia has sources and more details, in case you are interested. I haven’t found any evidence of people paying for it, though

jillesvangurp 3y ago
Very insightful indeed. It suggests this article is not factual. Not the first anti Tesla article from that website featured on HN. Light on facts and evidence usually. And in this case spreading (deliberate?) lies. "Test rides were given at the event for those who immediately paid the first $5,000 of a $50,000 deposit to pre-order the vehicle" A bit less dramatic than Tesla getting a quarter million for nothing, which the article is leading with. Presumably, the kind of people that have 250K would also be able to hire some expensive lawyers to get it back in case of a failure to receive a car. I don't think that happened. The narrative that Tesla survived near bankruptcy by ripping off wannabe roadster customers seems like it is a complete and utter fabrication. Those 5k deposits are still interesting of course but I doubt that made a lot of difference for Tesla. Assuming the number of 1000 people is actually correct of course. Which given the rest of the article is not a safe assumption. That's a lot of test rides. Just saying. The roadster would have launched in 2020, which as some people may have forgotten was the first covid year that created a few logistical challenges for lots of companies; Tesla included. Then we got the Ukraine crisis, chip shortages, etc. So, yes they are 3 years late, not 6, delivering what was always going to be a bit of a niche car. And there seem to be some valid reasons as to why that might be. Also, people took test rides so the car was real enough for that. Tesla actually managed to keep on growing marketshare in the past three years throughout these events. So they aren't doing that poorly.
- 93po 3y ago
  Fake, made up hit pieces against Elon and his companies? Definitely never seen on HN before They do it because it works. Everyone in the comments here accepts it at face value and dogpiles
  - ahahahahah 3y ago
    Or, as I comment in a sibling: Fake, made up defenses of Elon and his companies? Definitely never seen on HN before. They do it because it works I guess, you are another fan who just accepts it at face value I guess.
- ahahahahah 3y ago
  > Very insightful indeed. It suggests this article is not factual. It's really weird when someone summarizes a reference completely incorrectly. Like is it just intentional disinformation hoping that most people don't check you on it? From the link: > the first 1,000 to be produced, known as the Founder's Series, will be priced at $250,000.[17][37] Full payment would be required to pre-order the latter vehicle. You can no longer preorder the Founder's Series as they've all been accounted for already. > Those 5k deposits are still interesting ... wow, like even worse you misrepresent even the part that you quoted out of the article. $5,000 is a prepayment of part of the deposit that allowed a test drive at the event, the pre-order deposit for non-founders cars is $50,000. And those $50,000 deposits are in fact mentioned in the article: "That quarter billion just for the Founders Edition cars probably helped the company quite a bit, and there’s no telling how many $50,000 deposits the company got and still holds"

jillesvangurp 3y ago

Very insightful indeed. It suggests this article is not factual. Not the first anti Tesla article from that website featured on HN. Light on facts and evidence usually. And in this case spreading (deliberate?) lies. "Test rides were given at the event for those who immediately paid the first $5,000 of a $50,000 deposit to pre-order the vehicle" A bit less dramatic than Tesla getting a quarter million for nothing, which the article is leading with. Presumably, the kind of people that have 250K would also be able to hire some expensive lawyers to get it back in case of a failure to receive a car. I don't think that happened. The narrative that Tesla survived near bankruptcy by ripping off wannabe roadster customers seems like it is a complete and utter fabrication. Those 5k deposits are still interesting of course but I doubt that made a lot of difference for Tesla. Assuming the number of 1000 people is actually correct of course. Which given the rest of the article is not a safe assumption. That's a lot of test rides. Just saying. The roadster would have launched in 2020, which as some people may have forgotten was the first covid year that created a few logistical challenges for lots of companies; Tesla included. Then we got the Ukraine crisis, chip shortages, etc. So, yes they are 3 years late, not 6, delivering what was always going to be a bit of a niche car. And there seem to be some valid reasons as to why that might be. Also, people took test rides so the car was real enough for that. Tesla actually managed to keep on growing marketshare in the past three years throughout these events. So they aren't doing that poorly.

93po 3y ago
Fake, made up hit pieces against Elon and his companies? Definitely never seen on HN before They do it because it works. Everyone in the comments here accepts it at face value and dogpiles
- ahahahahah 3y ago
  Or, as I comment in a sibling: Fake, made up defenses of Elon and his companies? Definitely never seen on HN before. They do it because it works I guess, you are another fan who just accepts it at face value I guess.
ahahahahah 3y ago
> Very insightful indeed. It suggests this article is not factual. It's really weird when someone summarizes a reference completely incorrectly. Like is it just intentional disinformation hoping that most people don't check you on it? From the link: > the first 1,000 to be produced, known as the Founder's Series, will be priced at $250,000.[17][37] Full payment would be required to pre-order the latter vehicle. You can no longer preorder the Founder's Series as they've all been accounted for already. > Those 5k deposits are still interesting ... wow, like even worse you misrepresent even the part that you quoted out of the article. $5,000 is a prepayment of part of the deposit that allowed a test drive at the event, the pre-order deposit for non-founders cars is $50,000. And those $50,000 deposits are in fact mentioned in the article: "That quarter billion just for the Founders Edition cars probably helped the company quite a bit, and there’s no telling how many $50,000 deposits the company got and still holds"