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The latter, the school boys, are nearly to a one on some kind of psychiatric drug.

manuelabeledo 3y ago
Even if that was true, which is not, what kind of scientology BS is this? There is absolutely no proof that psychiatric meds push teens to commit mass shootings.
- User23 3y ago
  What evidentiary standard would that “proof” have to meet to satisfy you? Is there one? If not then you’re just expressing a political belief and not a scientific one.
  - manuelabeledo 3y ago
    > What evidentiary standard would that “proof” have to meet to satisfy you? So, asking for proof of a so far unsubstantiated statement, is a "political belief" now? What did I miss?
    - User23 3y ago
      > What did I miss? Evidentiary standards, it appears. You literally just admitted to not having any.
      - manuelabeledo 3y ago
        Even if that was true, don’t you think it would be ironic if I just rather took the word of a random internet user at face value? Regardless, some evidence to back up the claim should be easy to provide. There are plenty of legitimate medical journals with publicly available content online, and at least one should be carrying a study on psychiatric drugs contributing to violent and erratic behavior. There should be also some sociological papers out there outlining the relationship between psychiatric treatment and homicidal tendencies. Yet nothing of these sorts has been provided, and here I am, being told that I don’t have “evidentiary standards” because I have asked for proof. The burden of which is on those who made the claim, by the way.
        User23 3y ago
        Why would I or anyone else make the effort of finding evidence for you when you’re not even willing to state the standard of evidence that you would accept? That sounds like a total waste of time since you’re effectively indicating that you have no objective standard and that you will reject any evidence that doesn’t satisfy your preconceived notions.
        manuelabeledo 3y ago
        I guess some people have the right to make shit up and not back it, and the rest of us mere mortals are supposed to take it at face value. Hilarious.
        User23 3y ago
        You’ve offered nothing but snark and evasion in response to a simple question asking what standard of evidence you’d accept. You’ve made it clear that there isn’t one an you’re acting in bad faith. Feel free to pretend that’s funny if you like, but it’s really just sad and rather dull.
        manuelabeledo 3y ago
        Quoting myself: > Regardless, some evidence to back up the claim should be easy to provide. There are plenty of legitimate medical journals with publicly available content online, and at least one should be carrying a study on psychiatric drugs contributing to violent and erratic behavior. There should be also some sociological papers out there outlining the relationship between psychiatric treatment and homicidal tendencies. In short, some forms of publicly available, peer reviewed scientific studies, published in legitimate journals, relevant to the discipline. And to clarify further, the funny bit here is that it is I who seems to be under scrutiny, not the one who made an unsubstantiated comment.
        User23 3y ago
        The claim that you’re attacking was > The latter, the school boys, are nearly to a one on some kind of psychiatric drug. This is easily verified with some simple searching[1]. And before you start on the “muh causality” deflection, observe that the verified claim says nothing about causality. We do know however that where there is causality there is correlation. So that is not proof, but it is evidence. As for your claim about a lack of evidence for psychiatric drugs being associated with homicidal behavior, an RCT showing psychiatric drugs cause homicidal behavior, well that simply isn’t possible due to ethical restrictions. In fact any properly designed study showing a causal relation between some intervention and murder would be flagrantly immoral. Therefore, we're going to have to rely on a preponderance of evidence rather than the highest standards of scientific proof. And the evidence, such as it is, is stronger for the position that there is an association between psychiatric drugs and school boy murderers than that there isn't. [1] https://thoughtcatalog.com/jeremy-london/2019/09/37-mass-shooters-who-were-on-antidepressants/ https://thoughtcatalog.com/jeremy-london/2019/09/37-mass-sho...

Even if that was true, which is not, what kind of scientology BS is this? There is absolutely no proof that psychiatric meds push teens to commit mass shootings.

User23 3y ago
What evidentiary standard would that “proof” have to meet to satisfy you? Is there one? If not then you’re just expressing a political belief and not a scientific one.
- manuelabeledo 3y ago
  > What evidentiary standard would that “proof” have to meet to satisfy you? So, asking for proof of a so far unsubstantiated statement, is a "political belief" now? What did I miss?
  - User23 3y ago
    > What did I miss? Evidentiary standards, it appears. You literally just admitted to not having any.
    - manuelabeledo 3y ago
      Even if that was true, don’t you think it would be ironic if I just rather took the word of a random internet user at face value? Regardless, some evidence to back up the claim should be easy to provide. There are plenty of legitimate medical journals with publicly available content online, and at least one should be carrying a study on psychiatric drugs contributing to violent and erratic behavior. There should be also some sociological papers out there outlining the relationship between psychiatric treatment and homicidal tendencies. Yet nothing of these sorts has been provided, and here I am, being told that I don’t have “evidentiary standards” because I have asked for proof. The burden of which is on those who made the claim, by the way.
      - User23 3y ago
        Why would I or anyone else make the effort of finding evidence for you when you’re not even willing to state the standard of evidence that you would accept? That sounds like a total waste of time since you’re effectively indicating that you have no objective standard and that you will reject any evidence that doesn’t satisfy your preconceived notions.
        manuelabeledo 3y ago
        I guess some people have the right to make shit up and not back it, and the rest of us mere mortals are supposed to take it at face value. Hilarious.
        User23 3y ago
        You’ve offered nothing but snark and evasion in response to a simple question asking what standard of evidence you’d accept. You’ve made it clear that there isn’t one an you’re acting in bad faith. Feel free to pretend that’s funny if you like, but it’s really just sad and rather dull.
        manuelabeledo 3y ago
        Quoting myself: > Regardless, some evidence to back up the claim should be easy to provide. There are plenty of legitimate medical journals with publicly available content online, and at least one should be carrying a study on psychiatric drugs contributing to violent and erratic behavior. There should be also some sociological papers out there outlining the relationship between psychiatric treatment and homicidal tendencies. In short, some forms of publicly available, peer reviewed scientific studies, published in legitimate journals, relevant to the discipline. And to clarify further, the funny bit here is that it is I who seems to be under scrutiny, not the one who made an unsubstantiated comment.
        User23 3y ago
        The claim that you’re attacking was > The latter, the school boys, are nearly to a one on some kind of psychiatric drug. This is easily verified with some simple searching[1]. And before you start on the “muh causality” deflection, observe that the verified claim says nothing about causality. We do know however that where there is causality there is correlation. So that is not proof, but it is evidence. As for your claim about a lack of evidence for psychiatric drugs being associated with homicidal behavior, an RCT showing psychiatric drugs cause homicidal behavior, well that simply isn’t possible due to ethical restrictions. In fact any properly designed study showing a causal relation between some intervention and murder would be flagrantly immoral. Therefore, we're going to have to rely on a preponderance of evidence rather than the highest standards of scientific proof. And the evidence, such as it is, is stronger for the position that there is an association between psychiatric drugs and school boy murderers than that there isn't. [1] https://thoughtcatalog.com/jeremy-london/2019/09/37-mass-shooters-who-were-on-antidepressants/ https://thoughtcatalog.com/jeremy-london/2019/09/37-mass-sho...