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I don't care about tech philosophy. The software needs to work well. Show me an IRC network operated with the same ease of use and security as discord and I wil

by _8j50 3y ago

I don't care about tech philosophy. The software needs to work well. Show me an IRC network operated with the same ease of use and security as discord and I will use it provided others are on it as well. You people like your lemmy, mastodon, peertube,etc... and it's not like I disagree with the idea but ideals are only good for academic discussions. They need to work well IRL, there is no replacement for that, period! I will give you a good example: firefox! It's not just ideas, it works just as well as Chrome! And you know what, back in the day when you could trust or be apathetic to server ops IRC was great. But not having e2ee encryption and server operators being anti-privacy like with libera means we have no modern day options. You can downvote me all you want but these bullshit dramas have destroyed communities I liked and that is not f*cking ok! Downvote me a million times but I have not had unexpected disruptions on discord or crazy memory/performance issues. I would love to use ircv3 that is full e2ee with no opportunistic crap or matrix with a decent well maintained lightweight web client and simple/good UX. But don't tell my the problems don't exist because youe ideology is nice and shiny. Yeah, discord can be bought by some crappy company and they can start banning for bad reasons but guess what? So can matrix.org and it already happened with freenode (and reddit in a related manner). But today, discord is best. I hold on to the hope of a better alternative as I point out the flaws in what exist today. It needs to work well first and foremost.

Karrot_Kream 3y ago
Talking about this in a nuanced way on HN these days is useless. Threads about IRC, Mastodon, Lemmy, etc don't attract pragmatists. They attract zealots that really want to pretend like their chosen ethical technology is the best and won all the wars and changed everything, and shhh you sheeple for suggesting otherwise let me downvote you. I will say while Element (the flagship Matrix client) isn't as polished as I'd like it to be, it's good enough that Discord users can use it without thinking twice on any of the non-huge rooms and spaces out there. It's quite close and worth running in parallel to Discord and I'm hopeful that the teams at Element and Matrix will close the gap to get sufficiently close.
- _8j50 3y ago
  Except element does choke my browser/system (32g ram, many cores) even with rooms that aren't all that big. Slack does the same, discord doesn't even with large rooms and 100+ rooms open.
  - Karrot_Kream 3y ago
    Hm I haven't had any issues like that. I do have room sync issues where it takes forever to join a large room, but nothing wrong with the app itself. I'm also using the Electron app across platforms and maybe it handles differently across browsers, but I use the Discord Electron app also.
    - _8j50 3y ago
      FWIW, slack has this issue as well. It might because unlike IRC, every DM is a room and has similar resources, and 50 people messaging you is the same as joining 50 rooms and I don't have the patience to "leave" a DM.
immibis 3y ago
Show me a Discord that works as well as you think Discord does. I'll wait.

by _8j50 3y ago

Karrot_Kream 3y ago

Talking about this in a nuanced way on HN these days is useless. Threads about IRC, Mastodon, Lemmy, etc don't attract pragmatists. They attract zealots that really want to pretend like their chosen ethical technology is the best and won all the wars and changed everything, and shhh you sheeple for suggesting otherwise let me downvote you. I will say while Element (the flagship Matrix client) isn't as polished as I'd like it to be, it's good enough that Discord users can use it without thinking twice on any of the non-huge rooms and spaces out there. It's quite close and worth running in parallel to Discord and I'm hopeful that the teams at Element and Matrix will close the gap to get sufficiently close.

_8j50 3y ago
Except element does choke my browser/system (32g ram, many cores) even with rooms that aren't all that big. Slack does the same, discord doesn't even with large rooms and 100+ rooms open.
- Karrot_Kream 3y ago
  Hm I haven't had any issues like that. I do have room sync issues where it takes forever to join a large room, but nothing wrong with the app itself. I'm also using the Electron app across platforms and maybe it handles differently across browsers, but I use the Discord Electron app also.
  - _8j50 3y ago
    FWIW, slack has this issue as well. It might because unlike IRC, every DM is a room and has similar resources, and 50 people messaging you is the same as joining 50 rooms and I don't have the patience to "leave" a DM.

immibis 3y ago

Show me a Discord that works as well as you think Discord does. I'll wait.