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While I do not host OwnCloud, I do selfhost a significant amount of other services and strongly believe it can offer a lot of value in certain areas (or stages
by xoa 3y ago
While I do not host OwnCloud, I do selfhost a significant amount of other services and strongly believe it can offer a lot of value in certain areas (or stages of business/work). However, part of what I think makes it viable in the current era is how good VPN options like WireGuard and Nebula are, along with various solid open source firewall/gateway options (VyOS, OPNsense, roll with OpenBSD etc). I can't imagine actually exposing anything I selfhost on the open internet, the surface area and lack of security practices is scary and has been for ages. At least separate VLANs for everything and access only via VPN from external, or at all for that matter (internal VPN or hard wire required for any access whatsoever to management interfaces, sensitive equipment etc whether internal or not, no trusting local clients by default).
Doing that itself certainly isn't perfect, obviously if facing actual targeted APTs horizontal movement efforts can be expected. But running a service with any kind of public exposure is pretty different in terms of threat profile and the sheer volume of attacks one can expect. Even with something really simple, some minimal static page serving, I'd still want it somewhere completely on a different network from my main stuff. Let alone huge gigantic complex many moving part apps like these cloud options! Individuals or small teams need to manage their available time/resources pretty tightly, and even a huge team would have trouble locking down something like that.
- 2Gkashmiri 3y agozerotier and tailscale is very good at this. you can lock down everything and it wouldn't matter because you still can connect from anywhere with all the security you want at each places. i run multiple zerotier networks at different levels and they all work transparently. i dont like tailscale as the hosted platform wants you to use an oath login and i have had bitter experiences with it so zerotier it is. zerotier does not have a public gateway option where you can have a network only access the internet via a certain point (maybe it can be done but it isnt easy as tailscale) but i am happy with it. i also do not have to worry about VPNs and all that because zerotier does that for me. you can self host both so you are in control at all times
- ednxzu 3y agoConsidering you run already run these zerotier networks, I would assume you heard of it, but since I don't see it mentioned and you (for obvious reasons) don't like tailscale, have you heard/used headscale (the opensource implementation of the controller(hosted) for tailscale) ?
- 2Gkashmiri 3y agoyeah. i know we can self host zerotier and headscale but i feel like i am invested in the zerotier network and i don't want to try another thing.