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Why not all of those facts? It's only four short sentences, it won't take up much space on a printed newspaper let alone an online article. Throw in some more

Why not all of those facts? It's only four short sentences, it won't take up much space on a printed newspaper let alone an online article. Throw in some more facts about American gun crime rates vs other countries for good measure, some facts comparing Chicago to other American cities, etc.

kazinator 3y ago
If it's your intent to report facts about gun violence in Chicago, and only that, then dropping those other facts detracts from what you're doing. It makes it look like you're insinuating possible causes. Like that voting Democrat leads to gun violence, or that poverty causes gun violence, or that hispanics and blacks perpetrate gun violence. By mentioning certain remotely related facts, it looks as if you're hinting at giving an interpretation of the central facts. If you want to convey facts about a topic like gun violence in Chicago, then stick to facts closely relevant to it. Like different ways of slicing up the data. You might show a density map of where in Chicago most of it has happened over a certain period, or demographics about gun violence. Now if you want to explore a link between gun violence and something else like poverty, then you have to get your ducks in a row about that. Such a subject deserves to be treated by a sophisticated researcher with an expert background in statistics. If that researcher postulates some kind of link, they have to look at all the reasons why that might be false, not only true.
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  The idea is to report all the facts that at least a substantial minority of the public believe to be relevant, regardless of which way they swing politically. All of those facts qualify under this standard, and also the ones I suggested as well. If you leave out the part about Chicago being a Democratic stronghold city, half the American public are going to be yelling that fact at the article and concluding that the writer is biased. And if you leave out the comparison of American gun violence to other countries, you'll have the same accusations of bias coming from other readers. If you want to preempt those accusations of bias, then you need to cover your bases and present all the facts that the public may believe to be relevant. Even those facts which you personally believe to be irrelevant distractions from the narrative you prefer.
  - kazinator 3y ago
    What you're doing there is a form of populism: adjusting the biases hinted at your article to the anticipated biases held by the public, as to somehow pander to everyone at the same time. That's not the same as avoiding biases.
    - mcpackieh 3y ago
      The idea isn't to pander to the majority, but to include facts that at least a substantial minority believe are relevant even if most people think those facts aren't relevant. This would not make the majority feel pandered to, it would probably make most people believe the article isn't ideologically aligned with them which is the entire point. Democrats would say "why the hell is the article mentioning that Chicago is controlled by Democratic politicians? That's not relevant!" And Republicans would say "why the hell is the article mentioning that America's gun violence rate far exceeds that of other developed countries, that isn't relevant!" However in both cases they would have to concede that the article did include the facts they personally believe relevant (those facts which the other objects to) even though it also included irrelevant facts. This isn't pandering, this is impartially reporting the facts that some significant fraction of people might believe to be relevant while at the same time not conforming to their preferred narrative by omitting facts inconvenient to their narrative. You can't pander to both at the same time. What you can do, and typically is done, is pander to one or the other by conforming to one narrative or the other, choosing or omitting facts according to the needs of one narrative or the other. That is pandering.

kazinator 3y ago

If it's your intent to report facts about gun violence in Chicago, and only that, then dropping those other facts detracts from what you're doing. It makes it look like you're insinuating possible causes. Like that voting Democrat leads to gun violence, or that poverty causes gun violence, or that hispanics and blacks perpetrate gun violence. By mentioning certain remotely related facts, it looks as if you're hinting at giving an interpretation of the central facts. If you want to convey facts about a topic like gun violence in Chicago, then stick to facts closely relevant to it. Like different ways of slicing up the data. You might show a density map of where in Chicago most of it has happened over a certain period, or demographics about gun violence. Now if you want to explore a link between gun violence and something else like poverty, then you have to get your ducks in a row about that. Such a subject deserves to be treated by a sophisticated researcher with an expert background in statistics. If that researcher postulates some kind of link, they have to look at all the reasons why that might be false, not only true.

mcpackieh 3y ago
The idea is to report all the facts that at least a substantial minority of the public believe to be relevant, regardless of which way they swing politically. All of those facts qualify under this standard, and also the ones I suggested as well. If you leave out the part about Chicago being a Democratic stronghold city, half the American public are going to be yelling that fact at the article and concluding that the writer is biased. And if you leave out the comparison of American gun violence to other countries, you'll have the same accusations of bias coming from other readers. If you want to preempt those accusations of bias, then you need to cover your bases and present all the facts that the public may believe to be relevant. Even those facts which you personally believe to be irrelevant distractions from the narrative you prefer.
- kazinator 3y ago
  What you're doing there is a form of populism: adjusting the biases hinted at your article to the anticipated biases held by the public, as to somehow pander to everyone at the same time. That's not the same as avoiding biases.
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    The idea isn't to pander to the majority, but to include facts that at least a substantial minority believe are relevant even if most people think those facts aren't relevant. This would not make the majority feel pandered to, it would probably make most people believe the article isn't ideologically aligned with them which is the entire point. Democrats would say "why the hell is the article mentioning that Chicago is controlled by Democratic politicians? That's not relevant!" And Republicans would say "why the hell is the article mentioning that America's gun violence rate far exceeds that of other developed countries, that isn't relevant!" However in both cases they would have to concede that the article did include the facts they personally believe relevant (those facts which the other objects to) even though it also included irrelevant facts. This isn't pandering, this is impartially reporting the facts that some significant fraction of people might believe to be relevant while at the same time not conforming to their preferred narrative by omitting facts inconvenient to their narrative. You can't pander to both at the same time. What you can do, and typically is done, is pander to one or the other by conforming to one narrative or the other, choosing or omitting facts according to the needs of one narrative or the other. That is pandering.