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> Meanwhile the Technivorm Moccamaster +1 for that machine. It's not confused about what it is: it's a simple, well made machine. It'll probably outlast me. >

> Meanwhile the Technivorm Moccamaster +1 for that machine. It's not confused about what it is: it's a simple, well made machine. It'll probably outlast me. > has a simple on/off switch that you could probably toggle with a relay, a motor, some gears, and a chopstick. It also makes just about the best coffee you're going to get with an automatic drip/filter machine. It's even simpler than that! I did a quick writeup [0] on how you can use a $10 'smart' outlet to drive the process. To save people a click: and the smart outlet has power monitoring functions and the coffee maker has it's own "no-water-left" protection it's pretty easy to detect if the thing is brewing or not. If you want to take it further, you can also pulse power to get a preliminary bloom phase before you do the main brew. > if you want actually good coffee in the morning, you need to automate the weighing, grinding, and depositing of fresh coffee into a rinsed filter. I will not contest that the best coffee is the coffee that's been ground and brewed right in front of me. I will posit that if you do the grind before bed and then brew in the AM, the quality isn't going to be that different and pre-caffinated / still-groggy you is going to value the "it's there, ready to be drank" aspect far more than you'll value the marginal increase in quality that'd come from doing all the prep _right then_. > That's going to look like Factorio in your kitchen. That's not a downside, if you ask me :D. If you ask others, though... 0: https://karlquinsland.com/improved-esphome-coffee-automation/ https://karlquinsland.com/improved-esphome-coffee-automation...

dqv 3y ago
>I will not contest that the best coffee is the coffee that's been ground and brewed right in front of me. I will posit that if you do the grind before bed and then brew in the AM, the quality isn't going to be that different and pre-caffinated / still-groggy you is going to value the "it's there, ready to be drank" aspect far more than you'll value the marginal increase in quality that'd come from doing all the prep _right then_. I think I've become addicted to the tactility of making the coffee as much I have to the caffeine. Uh, I was going to go on a long description of the tactile experience of making the coffee in a pour-over brewer, but I'll save that for my journal ;)
- xanderlewis 3y ago
  > I think I've become addicted to the tactility of making the coffee as much I have to the caffeine. You are not alone. Making pour-over coffee (from whole beans) is the first thing I do each morning, and I have several cups a day. Caffeine has no clearly noticeable effect on me, however, and I sometimes feel that I don’t even enjoy the taste that much. It dawned on me that the obsession is completely with the physical process, routine, and the fantastic aroma it creates.
  - jeffhuys 3y ago
    You might notice it if you were to stop drinking coffee for a week - slight caffeine withdrawal. Also, I think that a small percentage of the obsession does come from caffeine addiction, the anticipation of the “hit”, etc. “No noticeable effect” can also mean that you just feel normal with it, but a bit uncomfortable (or tired) without. I wouldn’t underestimate the drug, not anymore - doing a detox made me realize how it’s still a drug that does stuff to your brain and possibly your body. Of course, YMMV.
    - xanderlewis 3y ago
      You’re probably right, although I know people who get headaches if they go one morning without it and that’s certainly not the case with me (and I can sleep after a shot of espresso too). I don’t underestimate it, but so far the evidence seems to point to moderate coffee consumption being a net benefit. I’ll probably try having a no-caffeine week at some point anyway, just for, you know, science.
    - blarg1 3y ago
      Funny caffeine doesn't seem effect me like that. But sugar does, I can only have a small piece of chocolate a day if I don't want headaches and muscle aches upon stopping.
    - ValentinPearce 3y ago
      With a couple of friends, we did a 0 caffeine challenge for a week. First to drink any caffeinated drink would have to get the first round of drinks after work on Friday. Knowing the first couple of days I go without coffee I'm pretty slow, I started on the Saturday rather than the planned Monday. On Tuesday I was getting tested for Covid because I was feeling feeverish (no actual fever), had cramps and intense pain in my back. By the end of the week I was feeling a little better. On Friday, we all had a cup of coffee together, no one had lost the challenge. All that to say that never again will I underestimate the drug.

dqv 3y ago

>I will not contest that the best coffee is the coffee that's been ground and brewed right in front of me. I will posit that if you do the grind before bed and then brew in the AM, the quality isn't going to be that different and pre-caffinated / still-groggy you is going to value the "it's there, ready to be drank" aspect far more than you'll value the marginal increase in quality that'd come from doing all the prep _right then_. I think I've become addicted to the tactility of making the coffee as much I have to the caffeine. Uh, I was going to go on a long description of the tactile experience of making the coffee in a pour-over brewer, but I'll save that for my journal ;)

xanderlewis 3y ago
> I think I've become addicted to the tactility of making the coffee as much I have to the caffeine. You are not alone. Making pour-over coffee (from whole beans) is the first thing I do each morning, and I have several cups a day. Caffeine has no clearly noticeable effect on me, however, and I sometimes feel that I don’t even enjoy the taste that much. It dawned on me that the obsession is completely with the physical process, routine, and the fantastic aroma it creates.
- jeffhuys 3y ago
  You might notice it if you were to stop drinking coffee for a week - slight caffeine withdrawal. Also, I think that a small percentage of the obsession does come from caffeine addiction, the anticipation of the “hit”, etc. “No noticeable effect” can also mean that you just feel normal with it, but a bit uncomfortable (or tired) without. I wouldn’t underestimate the drug, not anymore - doing a detox made me realize how it’s still a drug that does stuff to your brain and possibly your body. Of course, YMMV.
  - xanderlewis 3y ago
    You’re probably right, although I know people who get headaches if they go one morning without it and that’s certainly not the case with me (and I can sleep after a shot of espresso too). I don’t underestimate it, but so far the evidence seems to point to moderate coffee consumption being a net benefit. I’ll probably try having a no-caffeine week at some point anyway, just for, you know, science.
  - blarg1 3y ago
    Funny caffeine doesn't seem effect me like that. But sugar does, I can only have a small piece of chocolate a day if I don't want headaches and muscle aches upon stopping.
  - ValentinPearce 3y ago
    With a couple of friends, we did a 0 caffeine challenge for a week. First to drink any caffeinated drink would have to get the first round of drinks after work on Friday. Knowing the first couple of days I go without coffee I'm pretty slow, I started on the Saturday rather than the planned Monday. On Tuesday I was getting tested for Covid because I was feeling feeverish (no actual fever), had cramps and intense pain in my back. By the end of the week I was feeling a little better. On Friday, we all had a cup of coffee together, no one had lost the challenge. All that to say that never again will I underestimate the drug.