3 ms·
You say upfront pricing would be preferable but consumers show over and over they pick based on the advertised price. This is true in dining, flights, hotels e
by lokar 3y ago
You say upfront pricing would be preferable but consumers show over and over they pick based on the advertised price. This is true in dining, flights, hotels etc.
- wharvle 3y agoThis seems more like an argument for mandating up-front pricing, than against up-front pricing. That way nobody can “defect” and gain business by obscuring prices.
- demosthanos 3y agoI'm not saying upfront pricing would survive in a free-for-all laissez-faire economy, I'm saying that it ought to be required because it is better for consumers. They pick based on the advertised price because hidden fees and culturally-mandated tips exploit weaknesses in our psychology, not because customers actually like to spend more than they'd planned on.
- Waterluvian 3y agoIn Ontario, Canada we did away with the lower tier minimum wage. Everyone, including servers, bartenders, etc, make at least $16.55/hr. Tips, if any, add on to that. It makes it so much easier to look at the price tag and know what something costs, and not to tip when it doesn’t feel like anything exceptional happened. But my favourite thing: it gives weight back to tips. They mean something again.
- frumper 3y agoCalifornia doesn't have a tip wage, tips still expected.
- fishtacos 3y agoBoth can co-exist. Also, let's not forget that California lives in its own bubble, not reflective of the rest of Americana.
- demosthanos 3y agoI don't know why you're bringing California into this. I don't live there, and TFA takes place in Austin, TX.
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- fishtacos 3y agoShoud've clarified - I couldn't reply to the 3rd reply due to HN's limitations, but it was related to the "California" reply without making mention of it. This has nothing to do with Canada. HN has posting limitations.
- frumper 3y agoThat's a weird take. What about life in California do you think is so different?
- Aqueous 3y agoAn advertised price that is racing to the bottom by offloading more and more of the cost to tips from customers. Meanwhile the employees blame the customers, the customers blame the corporation, and the corporation blames the employees. The corporation is the only one that is laughing all the way to the bank.
- lotsofpulp 3y agoI assume at least the top quintile of tipped personnel are also making out better than under a non tipped system.
- fishtacos 3y agoThis isn't about high-end bartending or wait staff in high-end restaurants. Most people in the service industry don't work there, and most places can't support that level of pay, so your point is moot in general application, but still accurate. That's not what this conversation is about.
- bratbag 3y agoCustomers being oblivious to dark patterns in charging, is why regulation is needed.
- euroderf 3y ago> consumers show over and over they pick based on the advertised price. This is true in dining, flights, hotels etc. This is precisely why junk fees must die.
- vivekd 3y agoWell the debate aside it seems like the culture is moving away from tipping. Younger generations don't seem to do it. So it seems that legislatures are going to have to start accounting for this in their min wage requirements