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Yes, surely. I'm curious if you have more to say about this. Semi-relatedly, one could read this article as a journalist attempting to convince the public to no

by sctb 3y ago

Yes, surely. I'm curious if you have more to say about this. Semi-relatedly, one could read this article as a journalist attempting to convince the public to normalize a more emotionally potent form of journalism.

tptacek 3y ago
I feel generally defensive of journalism, especially on HN, and I'm a little reluctant to dissect it too much. I worry about the utility and unintended effects of emotionally potent journalism on a consumer public so locked into narratives, and with such superficial, social-media-mediated connection to actual journalism. I'll just add that when I say "commercial", I mean exactly that. This is AP's former Bureau Chief in Jerusalem: Matti [a former AP journo and critic] states that the AP’s Jerusalem bureau – like all other major news operations based in Israel and the Palestinian territories – employs too many reporters because of this hostile obsession with the Jews. The truth is the story of Israel is that of a nation rising from the ashes of the worst genocide in human history, being attacked from all sides upon its inception. Depending on your point of view, it’s also a story about the persecuted becoming the persecutors. All of this, of course, is happening to the people of the Bible, the descendants of the Hebrew slaves who were led out of Egypt by Moses and from whose ranks emerged Jesus Christ. It’s as if a new chapter of the Bible is being written in our times. Whether you think the Bible is mythology or the word of God is beside the point. The point is we are all human beings who love a good story, and this one is particularly good. I read that a couple days ago and it's been pinging back and forth in my head ever since.
- rightbyte 3y ago
  > "It’s as if a new chapter of the Bible is being written in our times." It's debatable who fits in as the slaves in Egypt in the allegory ...
  - civilitty 3y ago
    That's why it makes such a good story (née clusterfuck). No matter where you sit, you can pretend to be the hero of the story or the persecuted victim.
- ignoramous 3y ago
  > ...hostile obsession with the Jews. Framing it like this not only evokes guilt in Europeans (in most Caucasians, perhaps?) but also effectively stifles them from voicing any support, let alone criticize Israel; and more importantly, without much consequence or thought, label any pro-Palestine group as pro-Terror. In fact, the Israeli Left themselves, a tiny minority rallying around organizations like Haaretz and B'Tselem, are under constant threat of de-legitimization, because in broader terms, they talk the same talk as pro-Palestine groups.

by sctb 3y ago

tptacek 3y ago

I feel generally defensive of journalism, especially on HN, and I'm a little reluctant to dissect it too much. I worry about the utility and unintended effects of emotionally potent journalism on a consumer public so locked into narratives, and with such superficial, social-media-mediated connection to actual journalism. I'll just add that when I say "commercial", I mean exactly that. This is AP's former Bureau Chief in Jerusalem: Matti [a former AP journo and critic] states that the AP’s Jerusalem bureau – like all other major news operations based in Israel and the Palestinian territories – employs too many reporters because of this hostile obsession with the Jews. The truth is the story of Israel is that of a nation rising from the ashes of the worst genocide in human history, being attacked from all sides upon its inception. Depending on your point of view, it’s also a story about the persecuted becoming the persecutors. All of this, of course, is happening to the people of the Bible, the descendants of the Hebrew slaves who were led out of Egypt by Moses and from whose ranks emerged Jesus Christ. It’s as if a new chapter of the Bible is being written in our times. Whether you think the Bible is mythology or the word of God is beside the point. The point is we are all human beings who love a good story, and this one is particularly good. I read that a couple days ago and it's been pinging back and forth in my head ever since.

rightbyte 3y ago
> "It’s as if a new chapter of the Bible is being written in our times." It's debatable who fits in as the slaves in Egypt in the allegory ...
- civilitty 3y ago
  That's why it makes such a good story (née clusterfuck). No matter where you sit, you can pretend to be the hero of the story or the persecuted victim.
ignoramous 3y ago
> ...hostile obsession with the Jews. Framing it like this not only evokes guilt in Europeans (in most Caucasians, perhaps?) but also effectively stifles them from voicing any support, let alone criticize Israel; and more importantly, without much consequence or thought, label any pro-Palestine group as pro-Terror. In fact, the Israeli Left themselves, a tiny minority rallying around organizations like Haaretz and B'Tselem, are under constant threat of de-legitimization, because in broader terms, they talk the same talk as pro-Palestine groups.