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I suspect it isn't political but rather that being a journalist in Israel is safer than being a journalist in Syria. So naturally one will be represented more t

I suspect it isn't political but rather that being a journalist in Israel is safer than being a journalist in Syria. So naturally one will be represented more than the other. No politics there.

hubb 3y ago
try telling the family of shireen abu akleh about how safe it was to be a journalist in israel
- criddell 3y ago
  They didn’t say Israel is safe, just safer than Syria. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_during_the_Syrian_civil_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_dur...
  - tptacek 3y ago
    Syria is much less safe than Israel is, but millions of people live there, and newswires can buy information from them; that's what a stringer is. The allegations I've read are that, on a good day in 2018, AP might have had one stringer to get information from. That's a decision AP made, not a reality it had to conform to.
bhouston 3y ago
It is safe to be a Western journalist in Israel, but if you are Arab reporting on Israel from an Arab perspective, it is quite dangerous. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/20/world/middleeast/palestian-journalist-killing-shireen.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/20/world/middleeast/palestia... https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/30/reuters-al-jazeera-journalists-targeted-in-lebanon-strike-press-group https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/30/reuters-al-jazeera... https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/widespread-targeting-journalists-gaza-amid-israeli-attacks-enar https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/...
- mminer237 3y ago
  That was in an area administered by Palestine. It can't really be considered "in Israel" at all. I think it strengthens his point that it's hard to get comprehensive journalism in an area either controlled or actively contested by terrorists.
  - Gabriel54 3y ago
    The Palestinian Authority administers the West Bank. No country in the world considers them a terrorist organization.
    - tptacek 3y ago
      Our thinking here is, we're going to settle Israel/Palestine once and for all, on this message board thread; a pity, we think, nobody ever thought of just tossing the question to us in the first place. The lives that could have been saved.
    - mminer237 3y ago
      > or actively contested by terrorists. The Palestinian Authority isn't a terrorist organization, but Hamas does maintain an active presence in the West Bank. The government also explicitly encourages terrorist attacks in the region through the Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund.
- gyudin 3y ago
  Kinda strange. First article says Palestinian leaders rejected request about investigation under international supervision and refused to show the bullet, claiming it was an armor piercing round. While IDF soldiers use standard ammunition.
  - bhouston 3y ago
    The general international consensus is that Israeli soldiers killed her, but you can personally claim anything you want, that is your right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Shireen_Abu_Akleh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Shireen_Abu_Akleh
polytely 3y ago
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- tptacek 3y ago
  The piece you cite here at no point supports (or even makes) the outlandish claim you've made here.
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  - oa335 3y ago
    It doesn’t make the point outright, but the reports that 80%ish of the journalists were killed in their homes, many with their kids and families, could at least support the claim that Israel is “targeting” journalists.
    - tptacek 3y ago
      It does no such thing.
      - oa335 3y ago
        And why is that?
        nearbuy 3y ago
        What do you mean? The article you linked never claims 80% of journalists were killed in their homes, or anything near that number. Where did you get that number from?
        oa335 3y ago
        I did not link the article. I was responding to the comment that stridently declared that the article provides no support for the claim that Israel is targeting journalists. I got the number by actually fully reading the article, counting up the number of Palestinians who were listed as killed in their home or with their families (around 30) and then of the remaining, reading the provided linked reports that gave more detail as to how the journalists died (around 8). 38 died in their homes, 49 Palestinian journalists killed totally, hence around 80 percent. I may be off by a couple since here or there, but to say that the article “doesn’t mention anything near that number” is a stretch.
paulddraper 3y ago
That is probably true. Doesn't change the consequence, but probably true.

I suspect it isn't political but rather that being a journalist in Israel is safer than being a journalist in Syria. So naturally one will be represented more than the other. No politics there.

hubb 3y ago

try telling the family of shireen abu akleh about how safe it was to be a journalist in israel

criddell 3y ago
They didn’t say Israel is safe, just safer than Syria. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_during_the_Syrian_civil_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_dur...
- tptacek 3y ago
  Syria is much less safe than Israel is, but millions of people live there, and newswires can buy information from them; that's what a stringer is. The allegations I've read are that, on a good day in 2018, AP might have had one stringer to get information from. That's a decision AP made, not a reality it had to conform to.

bhouston 3y ago

It is safe to be a Western journalist in Israel, but if you are Arab reporting on Israel from an Arab perspective, it is quite dangerous. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/20/world/middleeast/palestian-journalist-killing-shireen.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/20/world/middleeast/palestia... https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/30/reuters-al-jazeera-journalists-targeted-in-lebanon-strike-press-group https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/30/reuters-al-jazeera... https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/widespread-targeting-journalists-gaza-amid-israeli-attacks-enar https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/...

mminer237 3y ago
That was in an area administered by Palestine. It can't really be considered "in Israel" at all. I think it strengthens his point that it's hard to get comprehensive journalism in an area either controlled or actively contested by terrorists.
- Gabriel54 3y ago
  The Palestinian Authority administers the West Bank. No country in the world considers them a terrorist organization.
  - tptacek 3y ago
    Our thinking here is, we're going to settle Israel/Palestine once and for all, on this message board thread; a pity, we think, nobody ever thought of just tossing the question to us in the first place. The lives that could have been saved.
  - mminer237 3y ago
    > or actively contested by terrorists. The Palestinian Authority isn't a terrorist organization, but Hamas does maintain an active presence in the West Bank. The government also explicitly encourages terrorist attacks in the region through the Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund.
gyudin 3y ago
Kinda strange. First article says Palestinian leaders rejected request about investigation under international supervision and refused to show the bullet, claiming it was an armor piercing round. While IDF soldiers use standard ammunition.
- bhouston 3y ago
  The general international consensus is that Israeli soldiers killed her, but you can personally claim anything you want, that is your right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Shireen_Abu_Akleh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Shireen_Abu_Akleh

polytely 3y ago

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tptacek 3y ago
The piece you cite here at no point supports (or even makes) the outlandish claim you've made here.
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- oa335 3y ago
  It doesn’t make the point outright, but the reports that 80%ish of the journalists were killed in their homes, many with their kids and families, could at least support the claim that Israel is “targeting” journalists.
  - tptacek 3y ago
    It does no such thing.
    - oa335 3y ago
      And why is that?
      - nearbuy 3y ago
        What do you mean? The article you linked never claims 80% of journalists were killed in their homes, or anything near that number. Where did you get that number from?
        oa335 3y ago
        I did not link the article. I was responding to the comment that stridently declared that the article provides no support for the claim that Israel is targeting journalists. I got the number by actually fully reading the article, counting up the number of Palestinians who were listed as killed in their home or with their families (around 30) and then of the remaining, reading the provided linked reports that gave more detail as to how the journalists died (around 8). 38 died in their homes, 49 Palestinian journalists killed totally, hence around 80 percent. I may be off by a couple since here or there, but to say that the article “doesn’t mention anything near that number” is a stretch.

paulddraper 3y ago

That is probably true. Doesn't change the consequence, but probably true.