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Files Suggest UN Climate Summit's Leader Is Using Event to Promote Fossil Fuels

52 points by boringg 3y ago

jksk61 3y ago
color me surprised.
ciconia 3y ago
https://archive.ph/cpXCu https://archive.ph/cpXCu
bhelkey 3y ago
From the article: > A leaked document has talking points for the president of the United Nations climate conference, who is an oil executive in the United Arab Emirates, to advance oil and gas deals.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  While they install GWs of solar to save the petroleum to sell into the global market. https://www.gem.wiki/Al_Dhafra_solar_farm https://www.gem.wiki/Al_Dhafra_solar_farm https://web.archive.org/web/20231128203004/https://interestingengineering.com/energy/abu-dhabi-debuts-the-worlds-largest-single-site-solar-power-plant https://web.archive.org/web/20231128203004/https://interesti... https://web.archive.org/web/20231128203049/https://old.reddit.com/r/solar/comments/181vzqi/the_worlds_largest_singlesite_solar_farm_is/kafo8wq/ https://web.archive.org/web/20231128203049/https://old.reddi... https://www.google.com/maps/@24.1374243,54.4949076,6821m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu https://www.google.com/maps/@24.1374243,54.4949076,6821m/dat... Everyone trying to get out the door before the fossil fuel valuations plummet.
- hatthew 3y ago
  why is a UAE oil exec the climate conference president
exabrial 3y ago
Climate Summit: As in a bunch of 1%er billionaires fly their private jets to eat expensive food and drink lavishly while figuring out how to lecture everyone else about climate change?
- Hammershaft 3y ago
  I mean if international leaders meeting in person achieves even minute national changes in longterm climate policy then that private jet ride will have paid itself off many times over.
  - nroets 3y ago
    Then they should lead by example and buy carbon offsets from a reputable source. AFAIK, Bill Gates is the only 1% er who does this.
    - thorncorona 3y ago
      Carbon offsets are largely bullshit financialized products.
  - zbyte64 3y ago
    Woah there, let's calm down a second. There is no need to advocate for the profitability and ethics in kidnapping private jets with billionaires on board. I'm sure if we just vote then we won't need violent revolution to avoid billions of people being displaced from climate change.
    - crawfordcomeaux 3y ago
      Tried that. It got us here. It's plane-snatching time.
  - saiya-jin 3y ago
    Do they... all I see is evidence of more oil lobby entering the room. Oil lobby will never ever lobby for them losing long term profits, so be always extremely wary of their activities, I mean its not quantum physics rather just trivial 'follow the money' approach. What I often see even with smaller national oil refineries are more in style of 'we lose this tiny battle and sell it 100x over via massive PR campaigns, while quietly pushing through this nefarious additional oil something something'. Political leaders don't care, they get their cut of the pie now and next election cycle is up in the stars anyway and desperately hope they and their offsprings will have one of top positions in future world. Peasants be damned. Now with these simple facts cleared, what heart-warming message do they have for the plebs?
vinni2 3y ago
Earlier post https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38429603 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38429603
pengaru 3y ago
> the president of the United Nations climate conference, who is an oil executive in the United Arab Emirates How does such an obvious case of the fox guarding the hen house come to be? What a farce...
- mistrial9 3y ago
  .. because you have to engage all stakeholders.. that is not to say "agree" or "compromise" but yes, engage; including prominent speaker slots, exchange of position papers, building long term relationships. It is disappointing to see dismissive comments about the Conference of Parties.. do you really think that those representatives are aiming to be futile? or puppets? no
  - jjulius 3y ago
    >... do you really think that those representatives are aiming to be futile? or puppets? Yes. Hard yes. You're asking us to assume that an industry that has given us countless reasons to not trust it should be trusted, now, to act in our best interest.
- mikrl 3y ago
  There might be a bit of sense to it. Like tobacco companies getting involved in cancer research. If they ‘solve’ lung cancer in a way that doesn’t necessitate stopping smoking, the tobacco exec will make out like a bandit. Similarly, if the oil exec figures out how to ‘solve’ the negative effects of climate change without affecting oil output… drill baby drill!
  - handy2000 3y ago
    He will solve the negative effects of climate change at a week-long conference?
    - mikrl 3y ago
      No, but attending multiple such conferences will expose the oil exec to the areas of research, and help prioritize their funding. Just like lung cancer isn’t solved, but Philip Morris etc still throw money at the research.
ChainOfFools 3y ago
My toddler is currently at the wings and wheels stage of fascination with machinery, so I've become pretty familiar with the Cars franchise as a result, and find it more than a little ironic that this allegation nearly matches the plot of Cars 3, minus the anthropomorphized vehicle assassinations and explosions.
- icameron 3y ago
  Hah good point! I am in the same boat, but FYI it is Cars 2 you're thinking of, in which Sir Miles Axlerod promotes Allinoil biofuel by running it in the World Grand Prix but colludes to blow up the race cars to give the alternative fuel a bad reputation. Cars 3 is when Carmen the trainer becomes Lightning McQueen's racing protege. (edited: sp)
  - ChainOfFools 3y ago
    Crikes, don't tell my kid I fumbled one of the most crucial Dad performance review questions!
gyrate 3y ago
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daft_pink 3y ago
It's the UN. It basically exists to save us all from the nuclear war apocalypse. It's been very effective. That's why we keep it around. Otherwise, it's a bunch of nonsense and full of silly committees with fake titles that often are accomplishing the opposite of what they are pretending to accomplish and have no real power.
somishere 3y ago
Can only access the NYT piece in reader mode, but the Centre for Climate Reporting broke the story a couple of days ago (alongside the BBC). They have the documents embedded in the story. “breathtakingly hypocritical” being the choice quote. https://climate-reporting.org/cop28-president-oil-climate/ https://climate-reporting.org/cop28-president-oil-climate/

52 points by boringg 3y ago

jksk61 3y ago

color me surprised.

ciconia 3y ago

https://archive.ph/cpXCu https://archive.ph/cpXCu

bhelkey 3y ago

From the article: > A leaked document has talking points for the president of the United Nations climate conference, who is an oil executive in the United Arab Emirates, to advance oil and gas deals.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
While they install GWs of solar to save the petroleum to sell into the global market. https://www.gem.wiki/Al_Dhafra_solar_farm https://www.gem.wiki/Al_Dhafra_solar_farm https://web.archive.org/web/20231128203004/https://interestingengineering.com/energy/abu-dhabi-debuts-the-worlds-largest-single-site-solar-power-plant https://web.archive.org/web/20231128203004/https://interesti... https://web.archive.org/web/20231128203049/https://old.reddit.com/r/solar/comments/181vzqi/the_worlds_largest_singlesite_solar_farm_is/kafo8wq/ https://web.archive.org/web/20231128203049/https://old.reddi... https://www.google.com/maps/@24.1374243,54.4949076,6821m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu https://www.google.com/maps/@24.1374243,54.4949076,6821m/dat... Everyone trying to get out the door before the fossil fuel valuations plummet.
hatthew 3y ago
why is a UAE oil exec the climate conference president

exabrial 3y ago

Climate Summit: As in a bunch of 1%er billionaires fly their private jets to eat expensive food and drink lavishly while figuring out how to lecture everyone else about climate change?

Hammershaft 3y ago
I mean if international leaders meeting in person achieves even minute national changes in longterm climate policy then that private jet ride will have paid itself off many times over.
- nroets 3y ago
  Then they should lead by example and buy carbon offsets from a reputable source. AFAIK, Bill Gates is the only 1% er who does this.
  - thorncorona 3y ago
    Carbon offsets are largely bullshit financialized products.
- zbyte64 3y ago
  Woah there, let's calm down a second. There is no need to advocate for the profitability and ethics in kidnapping private jets with billionaires on board. I'm sure if we just vote then we won't need violent revolution to avoid billions of people being displaced from climate change.
  - crawfordcomeaux 3y ago
    Tried that. It got us here. It's plane-snatching time.
- saiya-jin 3y ago
  Do they... all I see is evidence of more oil lobby entering the room. Oil lobby will never ever lobby for them losing long term profits, so be always extremely wary of their activities, I mean its not quantum physics rather just trivial 'follow the money' approach. What I often see even with smaller national oil refineries are more in style of 'we lose this tiny battle and sell it 100x over via massive PR campaigns, while quietly pushing through this nefarious additional oil something something'. Political leaders don't care, they get their cut of the pie now and next election cycle is up in the stars anyway and desperately hope they and their offsprings will have one of top positions in future world. Peasants be damned. Now with these simple facts cleared, what heart-warming message do they have for the plebs?

vinni2 3y ago

Earlier post https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38429603 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38429603

pengaru 3y ago

> the president of the United Nations climate conference, who is an oil executive in the United Arab Emirates How does such an obvious case of the fox guarding the hen house come to be? What a farce...

mistrial9 3y ago
.. because you have to engage all stakeholders.. that is not to say "agree" or "compromise" but yes, engage; including prominent speaker slots, exchange of position papers, building long term relationships. It is disappointing to see dismissive comments about the Conference of Parties.. do you really think that those representatives are aiming to be futile? or puppets? no
- jjulius 3y ago
  >... do you really think that those representatives are aiming to be futile? or puppets? Yes. Hard yes. You're asking us to assume that an industry that has given us countless reasons to not trust it should be trusted, now, to act in our best interest.
mikrl 3y ago
There might be a bit of sense to it. Like tobacco companies getting involved in cancer research. If they ‘solve’ lung cancer in a way that doesn’t necessitate stopping smoking, the tobacco exec will make out like a bandit. Similarly, if the oil exec figures out how to ‘solve’ the negative effects of climate change without affecting oil output… drill baby drill!
- handy2000 3y ago
  He will solve the negative effects of climate change at a week-long conference?
  - mikrl 3y ago
    No, but attending multiple such conferences will expose the oil exec to the areas of research, and help prioritize their funding. Just like lung cancer isn’t solved, but Philip Morris etc still throw money at the research.

ChainOfFools 3y ago

My toddler is currently at the wings and wheels stage of fascination with machinery, so I've become pretty familiar with the Cars franchise as a result, and find it more than a little ironic that this allegation nearly matches the plot of Cars 3, minus the anthropomorphized vehicle assassinations and explosions.

icameron 3y ago
Hah good point! I am in the same boat, but FYI it is Cars 2 you're thinking of, in which Sir Miles Axlerod promotes Allinoil biofuel by running it in the World Grand Prix but colludes to blow up the race cars to give the alternative fuel a bad reputation. Cars 3 is when Carmen the trainer becomes Lightning McQueen's racing protege. (edited: sp)
- ChainOfFools 3y ago
  Crikes, don't tell my kid I fumbled one of the most crucial Dad performance review questions!

gyrate 3y ago

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daft_pink 3y ago

It's the UN. It basically exists to save us all from the nuclear war apocalypse. It's been very effective. That's why we keep it around. Otherwise, it's a bunch of nonsense and full of silly committees with fake titles that often are accomplishing the opposite of what they are pretending to accomplish and have no real power.

somishere 3y ago

Can only access the NYT piece in reader mode, but the Centre for Climate Reporting broke the story a couple of days ago (alongside the BBC). They have the documents embedded in the story. “breathtakingly hypocritical” being the choice quote. https://climate-reporting.org/cop28-president-oil-climate/ https://climate-reporting.org/cop28-president-oil-climate/