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Maybe because rails is like a religion-based on faith. As an old-timer who started web programming on perl/cgi I've always found rails programmers rather arroga

Maybe because rails is like a religion-based on faith. As an old-timer who started web programming on perl/cgi I've always found rails programmers rather arrogant and a bit off-putting. I say rails because this seems to be the main driver behind Ruby's growth. Rails seems to work magically for first-timers and without knowing what's happening it allows anyone to build sophisticated web applications. It basically expects you to have faith it will work and as such perhaps it creats a faith based following. What the author is describing is all sympthomatic of many religious groups :)

txus 15y ago
I don't think that's Rails, or Ruby or whatever paritcular tech we're discussing. I think that's a common trait in human communities, and I'm worried about the one I feel mine, but I'm sure everyone can see a part of their community reflected on my post.
mattbriggs 15y ago
Honestly, the magic thing is really overstated. The most magical thing in rails is that methods are defined on your models based on the framework reading your schema when it launches, which granted, is pretty magical, but ActiveRecord aside there isn't much else. I spent some time doing ASP.net Webforms, now THAT is a magical framework. To the point where I would say only around 1% of the people who used it had the slightest clue as to what was actually happening. Rails doesn't hold a candle to webforms in terms of magic, but for some reason it is always referred to that way, and I have never heard anyone say anything like that for webforms (or seaside, or lift, or yesod)
paulhauggis 15y ago
This seems to be the case especially with the Rails community. I'm glad I'm not the only one that notice. I've met developers in many of the other communities (if you can call it that), and I generally don't get along with the people that use Rails. Many are arrogant and close-minded. I'm not sure why these types of people are attracted to the Rails language. I've also noticed lots of English majors/writers/non-developers that love to use Rails. For me, this hasn't been the case for things like Python, PHP, or any other language.

txus 15y ago

I don't think that's Rails, or Ruby or whatever paritcular tech we're discussing. I think that's a common trait in human communities, and I'm worried about the one I feel mine, but I'm sure everyone can see a part of their community reflected on my post.

mattbriggs 15y ago

Honestly, the magic thing is really overstated. The most magical thing in rails is that methods are defined on your models based on the framework reading your schema when it launches, which granted, is pretty magical, but ActiveRecord aside there isn't much else. I spent some time doing ASP.net Webforms, now THAT is a magical framework. To the point where I would say only around 1% of the people who used it had the slightest clue as to what was actually happening. Rails doesn't hold a candle to webforms in terms of magic, but for some reason it is always referred to that way, and I have never heard anyone say anything like that for webforms (or seaside, or lift, or yesod)

paulhauggis 15y ago

This seems to be the case especially with the Rails community. I'm glad I'm not the only one that notice. I've met developers in many of the other communities (if you can call it that), and I generally don't get along with the people that use Rails. Many are arrogant and close-minded. I'm not sure why these types of people are attracted to the Rails language. I've also noticed lots of English majors/writers/non-developers that love to use Rails. For me, this hasn't been the case for things like Python, PHP, or any other language.